SirAlex09
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Speed equalised wins shouldn't count. Because it's always either speed blitz , AP gapping or outhax someone in these debates. Equalising speed doesn't solve anything
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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread
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Accelerated_Evolution
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Nullflowerblush
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Taking the highest available value as a baseline:
- Base: 533,525.275 tons (Class M)
- Kaio-ken: 1,067,050.55 tons (Class G)
- Great Ape: 5,335,252.75 tons
- Kaio-ken x20: 10,670,505.5 tons
- Super Saiyan: 26,676,263.8 tons
- Third Grade Super Saiyan: 266,762,638 tons
- Super Saiyan 2-3: 266,762,638+ tons
- Super Saiyan God: 133,381,318,750 tons (Class T)
- Super Saiyan Blue: 6.66906594e+12 tons (Class P)
- Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-ken: 1.33381319e+13 tons
- Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-ken x20: 1.33381319e+14 tons
- Ultra Instinct -Sign-+: 1.33381319e+14+ tons
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Also hit wasn't 2-C at that time funny enough and didn't have interdimensional range, but yeah speed equalized matches are unrealistic, but it's the only way for matches to happen, so he wouldn't actually win, just with the conditions that were made.
Spinoirr
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These ones
SirAlex09
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Sorry. What are you trying to say?
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omg class p LS goku would be SOOO NICE, i would abuse that telekinesis on vs matches
Accelerated_Evolution
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That the match wouldn´t probably be able to be added if one of the main reasons Hit lost was because speed was equalized
Spinoirr
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And this isn't even taking in account the scaling chains of Dragon Ball to super
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do you think it would get accepted that his LS goes up after transformations? Because honestly its consistent
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I mean, I was just talking about having an LS multiplier using the transformations. So I think things would start with this 40 ton thing.
Furthermore, the Vegeta in the DBS manga is class M, but doesn't he also have difficulty lifting the few-ton robot?
Even if we only take into account the 4x of the SSJ that went from 10 tons to 40, there would probably still be an inconsistency.
But anyway, we have also been shown that ssj transformations increase the LS.
In this scenario or we have several calculations above 40 tons (which causes problems for Goku Boo Saga), isn't it appropriate for the author's death? I don't know.
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Remember outliers are only apply to feats that would buff a verse. It can't possibly be that the writers just don't know how strong the characters they write are. And as we all know, we take every writer's word at 100% face value.
NishizumiShiho
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That's why Beerus should be Low 1-C via Hakai, he erased Dr. Mashirito out of existence and Dr. Mashirito survived numerous amount of narrative erasure.
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just argue it offsite lol
NishizumiShiho
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Thank God someone finally tidying up both CC Goku and Xeno Goku page. It was such a mess before.
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vegeta just got stronger, his class M feat was after that, and then add the multipliers
Nullflowerblush
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Auta Magetta weighs over 1,000 tons, and Vegeta's Class M feat is just under—948.144576 tons (Class K). Additionally, Vegeta performed said feat in the Galactic Patrolman Saga, as in way after the Tournament of Power, and way after the Zero Mortals Plan, and, thus, way after the Tournament of Destroyers.
Kale lifted Magetta above her head with one arm, and Gohan stalemated Kefla. Vegeta probably scales either way.
NishizumiShiho
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Definitely.
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so what do you think of multipliers being used?
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The Class M it has is currently for all keys as it is.
Nullflowerblush
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This one's on me—it was 2 tons on each limb (8 tons), then 10 tons on each limbs (40 tons).
Accelerated_Evolution
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Why Beerus Low 1-C EE is a Outlier:
1) Is it a big jump or drop in power? Yes
2) Is it a unique or exceptional incident? Yes
3) Is the event unexplained and unjustified? Yes
4) Does the event break the previously established power-scaling? Yes
5) Does the event break with the narrative of the work? DB and Dr. Slump aren´t from the same narrative, so it would be impossible
1) Is it a big jump or drop in power? Yes
2) Is it a unique or exceptional incident? Yes
3) Is the event unexplained and unjustified? Yes
4) Does the event break the previously established power-scaling? Yes
5) Does the event break with the narrative of the work? DB and Dr. Slump aren´t from the same narrative, so it would be impossible
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I understand, I'm not a reader of the manga, I just watch it from above.
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wait so they are already being used
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If the macrocosm ever gets 5D then the matchstick house we built for that being an outlier crumbles. I doubt that'll ever happen but it'd be funny to see
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I'm gonna sneak into Toyo's house and adjust the drafts of the next chapters to get 5D afterlife
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GUYS, WE JUST GOT SOME HUGE LEAKS.
Next arc, Black Frieza travels to the Demon Realm, which is stated to be a realm transcending all dimensions and concepts, and later destroys it with a Dark Supernova. He then transcends the narrative and kills kills Tori-Bot, before, obviously, Goku unlocks Super Saiyan 4, then combines it with Ultra Instinct and Super Saiyan Blue, creating Azure Saiyan Instinct, a form so powerful that they had to have Antvasima come in and explain that it's canonically Boundless to casual readers.
Next arc, Black Frieza travels to the Demon Realm, which is stated to be a realm transcending all dimensions and concepts, and later destroys it with a Dark Supernova. He then transcends the narrative and kills kills Tori-Bot, before, obviously, Goku unlocks Super Saiyan 4, then combines it with Ultra Instinct and Super Saiyan Blue, creating Azure Saiyan Instinct, a form so powerful that they had to have Antvasima come in and explain that it's canonically Boundless to casual readers.
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bros tweaking
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True if huge
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tier 11 db is now confirmed
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If we do decide to use multipliers for lifting strength. I would suggest starting the scaling chain from a super feat, then adding multipliers from that. Since Goku struggled to move his body with 40 tons on it in base.
So we don’t have any outlier talk.
So we don’t have any outlier talk.
Accelerated_Evolution
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As a Toriyama friend i can confirm that everything in that sentence is true
NishizumiShiho
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I'll sneak into Toriyama/Toyotaro house and make my own guidebook.
NishizumiShiho
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How strong Xeno Pan is?
NishizumiShiho
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Vegito (Dragon Ball Z)
Vegito (ベジット, Bejitto?) is the Potara Fusion of Son Goku and Vegeta, who had appeared in the Majin Buu Saga. Originally formed to defeat Majin Buu after he had absorbed Gohan. While all fusions have immense power, Vegito's power is abnormal even by Potara standards, as Vegeta and Goku's intense...
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Not gonna lie, the profile really irks me for some reason.
Spinoirr
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needs updating frVegito (Dragon Ball Z)
Vegito (ベジット, Bejitto?) is the Potara Fusion of Son Goku and Vegeta, who had appeared in the Majin Buu Saga. Originally formed to defeat Majin Buu after he had absorbed Gohan. While all fusions have immense power, Vegito's power is abnormal even by Potara standards, as Vegeta and Goku's intense...
Not gonna lie, the profile really irks me for some reason.
Spinoirr
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Vegito (DBS Manga)
Vegito (ベジット, Bejitto?) is the Potara Fusion of Son Goku and Vegeta, originally formed to defeat Majin Buu after he had absorbed Gohan, and later reappearing to fight Fusion Zamasu. While all fusions have immense power, Vegito's power is abnormal even by Potara standards, as Vegeta and Goku's...
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this one needs to be updated
NishizumiShiho
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I want to upgrade it ngl, to make it more tidy and organized.
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