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We can also place the transformations on this page. At least those related to physiology (not MUI for example)
It also has gravity resistance (10x).
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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It also has gravity resistance (10x).
Vietthai96
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Yeah forgot about that
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But are there others as relevant as these two?
There's the Frieza race, but I don't think there's enough of it.
In canon Majin only has Boo.
Androids I don't think are suitable, I think.
And I don't know if Terraquio has much (in the sense of powers that encompass the entire race)
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Not sure. If those are the only 2 then we’ll probably just only add those 2 until we get more information on other races.
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I don't think any of the species in Dragon Ball have enough abilities to warrant individual pages. If there was to be a physiology page for DB, it'd have to be a compilation of them. At least, in my opinion. The only real exception to this are SDBH Demons, like Towa and Mira.
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I think there are enough things. Just off the top of my head it has 7 powers.
And there are still some flaws in the transformations. For example, SSJ2 provides a small manipulation of electricity and the god forms have resistance to sensory manipulation.
We could also add hybrid stuff (if you have enough stuff) and stuff from universe 6 (exclusive to universe 6)
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Apparently Chapter 100 is just Super Hero's ending. No new arc.
Killerdrone123
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Goku fought a guy like that in The World's Strongest...we saw how that went.
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According to translations of leaks it doesn't seem like any dialogue really changed. Gohan still says that "even dad or Vegeta might not have been able to beat that Cell monster." Gohan had a lot more help in beating Cell Max than the movie though.
Since he hasn't seen them since Moro we can pretty clearly argue that the scaling chain is:
Seeing as Gohan says 'dad OR Vegeta' I think he's saying it in a one-on-one context and it's in response to Piccolo saying that they wouldn't have won without the help of others (particularly the Gammas).
Even if I ignore the Toriyama statement, that'd still firmly put Cell Max at maybe too hard for Moro Saga Goku to beat by himself but Gohan Beast only beats Cell Max with tons of help anyways. So I'd argue Gohan Beast is UI Goku (Moro) level.
Since he hasn't seen them since Moro we can pretty clearly argue that the scaling chain is:
Black Freeza >>>> Gas (Full Power) > Gas (Undead) > TUI Goku + UE Vegeta (Post-Granolah) > Aged Gas> TUI Goku > Awakened Gas > Berserk Gas >> Gas (Post-Wish) > Granolah (Both eyes) >> Ultra Ego Vegeta (Pre-Granolah) >> Granolah (One eye) > UI Goku (Granolah) > UI Goku (Moro) = UI Moro >>>> Moro-73 > Broly > Cell Max (Assuming Toriyama's statement still applies)
Seeing as Gohan says 'dad OR Vegeta' I think he's saying it in a one-on-one context and it's in response to Piccolo saying that they wouldn't have won without the help of others (particularly the Gammas).
Even if I ignore the Toriyama statement, that'd still firmly put Cell Max at maybe too hard for Moro Saga Goku to beat by himself but Gohan Beast only beats Cell Max with tons of help anyways. So I'd argue Gohan Beast is UI Goku (Moro) level.
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Not canon
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Don't care. He did it.
Fezzih_007
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That's not really his point trought.
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In luffy's case, it is said thst his body negates damage, the guy from world strongest doesn't have thst
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Where does DBH's NPI for NEP type 1 come from?
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Non-existent history, World of Void, Subspace
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Serlock_Holmes
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Also luffy doesn't negate it. He just hits by less amount than he normally would, because of the way the rubber like properties work. You can still hit him hard and he will go down, but having equal stats to him in a punching match is suicide.
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Still funny to me that they introduced these new villains and antagonists yet two constants will (for the time being) remain:
*They'll always play second fiddle to (the DBZ OG) Frieza.
*If he really wanted to Beerus could just easily hakai them all and resolve the issue right there.
I'm honestly surprised U7 can still have any major cosmic conflict left; between Frieza's Galactic Empire, Beerus being more active than he ever has been and the Galactic Patrol all on the loose. There's a good reason why of most of Super Hero took place on Earth while Broly, Goku and Vegeta were training on Beerus' realm.
*They'll always play second fiddle to (the DBZ OG) Frieza.
*If he really wanted to Beerus could just easily hakai them all and resolve the issue right there.
I'm honestly surprised U7 can still have any major cosmic conflict left; between Frieza's Galactic Empire, Beerus being more active than he ever has been and the Galactic Patrol all on the loose. There's a good reason why of most of Super Hero took place on Earth while Broly, Goku and Vegeta were training on Beerus' realm.
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Stats equal discussion remember? No idea where you got that from what i saidLuffy being able to withstand high 3-A scale attacks
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I haven't read the entire discussion yet, but shouldn't Goku win due to his multipliers or hakai?
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I mean, they are currently looking to make invulnerability to physical attacks good...invulnerable to any attack below a certain scale and I think it was up to high 3-A
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They are equal statistics
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Hakai is a possibility if manga goku is used
Killerdrone123
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I think we are taking both anime+manga composite for all three of them
Bastolan27
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Equal stats = Goku = 1 and Luffy = 1, but Goku has multipliers so it would be Goku = 1x50x2x4x?x50x?
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Bastolan27
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So Goku starts in UI? if so how can luffy hit goku?
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The issue they're discussing is how Goku can put down luff
Bastolan27
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Hakai, Kienzan (Destructor disk), Taiyoken(sun flash? I don't know what its called in English), Pressure points, Dragon Fist (I'm not sure if that's canon to Super), Mafuba, God Bind, Instant Transmission into a _X gravity planet, etc.
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All the proof Goku and Luffy are equals.
Fezzih_007
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Even in that Special, Goku seems stronger than Luffy, with him handling both Toriko and Luffy gear 2 alone.
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He went to save the earth from a universal danger and came back to fight them.
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Solar Flare.
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Telekinesis, paralysis, greater instinctive reaction, ki barriers, defensive aura, kiai, automatic hardening, increased attack range, teleportation, resistance to information analysis, greater analytical prediction, BFR, resistance to extrasensory perception, pressure points, hakai, sealing, kienzan, Tayoken, creation of illusions,manipulation of the senses, flight, etc.
Fezzih_007
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Luffy can resist or counter with Precognition 80% of the above.
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