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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100



It HAS to be Beerus now... right?

Depends. Toppo states Jiren surpasses Belmod in combat skill in the manga, not power. And while Beerus fights several other GoDs that's via skill superiority. It's shown in terms of power they're generally relative.

If Freeza has skill akin to Jiren and power close to a Destroyer he's at the level where he could probably force Beerus to go all out.
 


It HAS to be Beerus now... right?

Bruh he should have been equal to beerus till now imagine in future beerus vs frieza happens and beerus says that frieza made him use only 50% of his full power I would be hella mad even though beerus is goated I want someone to surpass him already
 
Depends. Toppo states Jiren surpasses Belmod in combat skill in the manga, not power. And while Beerus fights several other GoDs that's via skill superiority. It's shown in terms of power they're generally relative.

If Freeza has skill akin to Jiren and power close to a Destroyer he's at the level where he could probably force Beerus to go all out.
That was a mistranslation actually, Toppo uses Sentō-ryoku (戦闘力) which is just power level

 
That was a mistranslation actually, Toppo uses Sentō-ryoku (戦闘力) which is just power level


In that case nothing makes sense lol UI Goku is shown to match Jiren blow for blow in the ToP and only loses due to inexperience (stamina) and Beerus later praises UI Goku as 'godlike' when he fights Moro.

For all intents and purposes Black Freeza should one shot GoDs if he scales so far beyond Jiren and Jiren has power surpassing Belmod.
 
So let me get this straight.
  • SSB Vegito was claimed to surpass the level of Beerus in the Black Saga
  • Jiren surpasses Gods of Destruction in power (specifically Belmod)
  • Goku (who saw the GoDs all fight in the manga) believes Broly could be stronger than Beerus
  • Goku refers to Moro as his toughest opponent so far despite fighting Jiren and Broly and both being stated to surpass the GoD-level
  • Granolah wished to be the strongest in the universe and stomped UI Goku, firmly making him stronger than even Broly
  • Gas was made the strongest and far surpassed even that
  • Freeza came out of nowhere and oneshot Gas and is 'near' the God of Destruction level and is 'closer than Goku or Vegeta'
So uh...

Black Freeza >>>> Gas >> TUI Goku >> Granolah >> UI Goku >>>> Moro (Pre-UI) ~ SSB Vegito (Black)> Broly ~ Jiren ~ Beerus > Belmod > Black Freeza > TUI Goku >> Granolah >> UI Goku >>>> Moro (Pre-UI) ~ SSB Vegito (Black) > Broly ~ Jiren ~ Beerus > Belmod > Black Freeza...

Man I ******* love Dragon Ball Super scaling.
 
So let me get this straight.
  • SSB Vegito was claimed to surpass the level of Beerus in the Black Saga
  • Jiren surpasses Gods of Destruction in power (specifically Belmod)
  • Goku (who saw the GoDs all fight in the manga) believes Broly could be stronger than Beerus
  • Goku refers to Moro as his toughest opponent so far despite fighting Jiren and Broly and both being stated to surpass the GoD-level
  • Granolah wished to be the strongest in the universe and stomped UI Goku, firmly making him stronger than even Broly
  • Gas was made the strongest and far surpassed even that
  • Freeza came out of nowhere and oneshot Gas and is 'near' the God of Destruction level and is 'closer than Goku or Vegeta'
So uh...

Black Freeza >>>> Gas >> TUI Goku >> Granolah >> UI Goku >>>> Moro (Pre-UI) ~ SSB Vegito (Black)> Broly ~ Jiren ~ Beerus > Belmod > Black Freeza > TUI Goku >> Granolah >> UI Goku >>>> Moro (Pre-UI) ~ SSB Vegito (Black) > Broly ~ Jiren ~ Beerus > Belmod > Black Freeza...

Man I ******* love Dragon Ball Super scaling.
I see it bro
 
Beerus Full Power > Black Freeza >>>> Gas >> TUI Goku >> Granolah >> UI Goku >>>> Moro (Pre-UI) ~ SSB Vegito (Black)> Broly ~ Jiren ~ Beerus > Belmod > Black Freeza > TUI Goku >> Granolah >> UI Goku >>>> Moro (Pre-UI) ~ SSB Vegito (Black) > Broly ~ Jiren ~ Beerus > Belmod > Black Freeza...
Fixed.
 
Beerus was spitting

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Unfortunate. So while he still has good scaling, it's just a bit less good sadly.

Considering he no-selled a punch from Cell Max but struggled in a beam clash, that adds further supportive evidence for how much stronger a Blast can be than a punch/kick in Dragon Ball. Not that none of us already knew that but, a lot of people still don't understand that. Even though in the Raditz Saga this was already shown very well. I mean Raditz was literally dogging on both of them and their attacks couldn't even phase him. Piccolo's first yellow Ki blast on him literally did NOTHING to Raditz. Then Piccolo uses a special technique and it one-shots him. So xd.

Special attacks obviously tank higher than normal attacks, if they had a technique that could focus that same amount of ki onto their punches, it would be the same effect
 
Kind of yes, the gui aura being charged can crush/damage the opponent.

Just go to the ki manipulation crt.

The example used is Frieza in RoF and Jiren who creates an aura the size of the tournament of power arena.
If we use non - canon Goku vs android 13 is the best example
 
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