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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

The only DBH character who needs to have his justification changed with the Low 1-C blog is Tokitoki, right?

The rest is all through scale and is it only the tier that needs to be changed?

I think for DBH @Vietthai96 that will have to be seen, as he must be the guy who knows the most.

He's probably going to have to change both of his blogs a little.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
The only DBH character who needs to have his justification changed with the Low 1-C blog is Tokitoki, right?

The rest is all through scale and is it only the tier that needs to be changed?

I think for DBH @Vietthai96 that will have to be seen, as he must be the guy who knows the most.

He's probably going to have to change both of his blogs a little.
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He was asking how to do it and stuff, so he must be doing something about it.
 
I think the DBH should have separate tabbers for their abilities and their resistances since they seemingly have quite a bit, so as to make it easier to read and to slightly decrease bloat.
 
Jaakor48 said:
Pendulum room is one of two reasons for tier 1 cosmology
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Technically the Time Room since the pendulum room and Time room are different. The second piece of evidence is indeed the statement that says the RoSaT is a world with a different dimension of time in comparison to the Kaioshin Realm. So, that pretty much proved space-time separation happened from distinct time dimensions and not from one time dimension. Time Room stuff is pretty much supporting evidence.
 
TheGodOfICE777 said:
Technically the Time Room since the pendulum room and Time room are different. The second piece of evidence is indeed the statement that says the RoSaT is a world with a different dimension of time in comparison to the Kaioshin Realm. So, that pretty much proved space-time separation happened from distinct time dimensions and not from one time dimension. Time Room stuff is pretty much supporting evidence.
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Hello dear kid goku.

We were thinking about a new cosmology blog, like GOW.

But no one here seems to know how to do it (not even me) and you have experience doing it.

Could help? I would like to talk about each thing in more detail.
  • The 3 space-time continuums of each individual universe
  • Macrocosm (The 12 universes)
  • Neutral Space
  • World of Void
  • Zeno's Palace
  • The overarching timeline (of the macrocosm)
  • The multiverse of hyperlines timelines (from the canonical DB)
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Hello dear kid goku.

We were thinking about a new cosmology blog, like GOW.

But no one here seems to know how to do it (not even me) and you have experience doing it.

Could help? I would like to talk about each thing in more detail.
  • The 3 space-time continuums of each individual universe
  • Macrocosm (The 12 universes)
  • Neutral Space
  • World of Void
  • Zeno's Palace
  • Angel Realm (May be same realm as Zeno's Palace)
  • The overarching timeline (of the macrocosm)
  • The multiverse of hyperlines timelines (from the canonical DB)
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We should probably have a verse page explanation ngl. Tbh we could mention some of those things, but it might be irrelevant. For now, Profectus is working on his Hypertimeline blog. I’ll add a Hypertimeline section to the current accepted blog and link it. Though, yeah we should probably do those things in the future but for now none of it matters besides hypertimeline and macrocosms.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Hello dear kid goku.

We were thinking about a new cosmology blog, like GOW.

But no one here seems to know how to do it (not even me) and you have experience doing it.

Could help? I would like to talk about each thing in more detail.
  • The 3 space-time continuums of each individual universe
  • Macrocosm (The 12 universes)
  • Neutral Space
  • World of Void
  • Zeno's Palace
  • The overarching timeline (of the macrocosm)
  • The multiverse of hyperlines timelines (from the canonical DB)
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I really wanted something like this, it would be well organized, and explain exactly everything from the anime.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Hello dear kid goku.

We were thinking about a new cosmology blog, like GOW.

But no one here seems to know how to do it (not even me) and you have experience doing it.

Could help? I would like to talk about each thing in more detail.
  • The 3 space-time continuums of each individual universe
  • Macrocosm (The 12 universes)
  • Neutral Space
  • World of Void
  • Zeno's Palace
  • The overarching timeline (of the macrocosm)
  • The multiverse of hyperlines timelines (from the canonical DB)
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I think i could help with the blog
 
All right, I'm back! First off, if you guys don't mind, I'm going to leave all the helpful comments from Geos' thread here for reference.
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On that note, I have a certain problem I wanted to go into.
 
Brogeefrong said:
Kid named Archie Sonic vs Xeno Goku
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Besides Archie Sonic seems outdated in terms of P&A (And Archie's Chaos energy has things from the games, I don't know why)

If you use xeno goku with the keyword, I think just power null gg since This sonic doesn't seem to have enough layers of resistance based on your justifications.
 
All right, so I have my own argument as to how Dragon Ball may have expressed the standards DDT explained, but I wanted to say something else first.
Let's say we have this example:

A being exists in an empty realm. This being creates 3 timelines in this realm. It later creates 5. This being is capable of time traveling back to when there were 3 and even no timelines.

Would a higher dimension of time apply here?
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Depends on context, but possibly yes. Although that hinges on the word time travel.

Like, fundamentally you could say that you have one timeline that spans multiversal space. In the beginning, that space is empty. Then you rewrite the past so that 3 universes already existed in the space (which is the same as creating 3 timelines). So you rewrite the timeline of the multiversal space.
Then you do the same again to add 5 more.

Technically, you could say you only spawned several more multiverse spanning timelines. Like, now a empty multiverse spanning timeline, a multiverse spanning timeline with 3 universes and a multiverse spanning timeline with 8 universes exist. The total number of timelines is only 11.
If you are able to travel between multiverse spanning timelines, you would also be able to switch back from the multiverse spanning timeline with 8 universes to the one without any universes/timelines.

However, if you do that specifically via time travel, then that could be a good indicator that you are actually dealing with an additional time dimension. Because that indicates that the progression of the creation of timelines is done within a (presumably continuous) flow of time and that time wouldn't be that of the regular past where those universes always existed.
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From what I'm getting, you guys are interpreting this as "since there were more/less universes in the past, that fills DDT's standards for the timeline mapping continuous progression," right? That's what everyone else means in saying "this is textbook Dragon Ball," right?

My problem was that DontTalk may have responded to a similar argument before.
But as Ultima mentioned that any length of time in another axis of time suffices for "dislocation" as he put it

What I wanted show here is that these space-times flow forward in the flow of this higher time.

Lets take this and apply directly onto DB chronology.
In the past there were 18 space-times.
So the product will look like this at a single instant...."Zeroth" moment.
{1,2....18}×(R×R×R)×R

After some time " t" the 6 space-times are destroyed. And only 12 remain. Lets call this point of time in present as "t1".
So product will look like ...
{1....12}×(R×R×R)×R

So if were to sit outside the timeline and map all the progress of the universes from start uptill this point....

0+t=t1....or t=t1....basically the time interval.
[0,t1) is a uncountably large set , albiet not as large as R....but still uncountable, I believe this also called Cantor Set??
[0,t1)×{1...18}×(R×R×R)×R......
so this basically satisfies the condition for bijections of 5 sets containing uncountable elements I guess....

Low1C??

So basically I tried to map the journey of Present Timeline of DB and all universes inside it.
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The initial construct is {1,2....18}×(R×R×R)×R.
After the destruction the construct is {1,2...., 12}×(R×R×R)×R.
The part destroyed is {12,...,18}×(R×R×R)×R.
That is 4D and equivalent to destroying 8 spacetimes. A 2-C feat.

While you could theoretically describe the process of the multiverse changing by adding a second time-axis, that is only a model on your part and not something actually provided in the verse. Given that, you don't really know whether it actually is time-dimension-like or just a set of finite states. Furthermore, it is entirely irrelevant for the verse, since the time dimension you invented to describe the change of multiversal spacetime is not interacted with, or especially destroyed, by anything in Dragon Ball.
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Let's ignore the "second time axis" part since Dragon Ball fulfills it now. Unless I'm misinterpreting something, DontTalk is saying that the fact that there were more/less universes in the past doesn't tell you anything in itself, since as he explained above, you don't know whether it's a continuous progression of the multiverse or a set of discrete states the universes can exist under. In other words, without a feat like a character time traveling to when there were 18 universes for instance, the fact that there were more universes in the past may not necessarily have been what DDT was talking about.
 
ProfectusInfinity said:
All right, so I have my own argument as to how Dragon Ball may have expressed the standards DDT explained, but I wanted to say something else first.


From what I'm getting, you guys are interpreting this as "since there were more/less universes in the past, that fills DDT's standards for the timeline mapping continuous progression," right? That's what everyone else means in saying "this is textbook Dragon Ball," right?

My problem was that DontTalk may have responded to a similar argument before.


Let's ignore the "second time axis" part since Dragon Ball fulfills it now. Unless I'm misinterpreting something, DontTalk is saying that the fact that there were more/less universes in the past doesn't tell you anything in itself, since as he explained above, you don't know whether it's a continuous progression of the multiverse or a set of discrete states the universes can exist under. In other words, without a feat like a character time traveling to when there were 18 universes for instance, the fact that there were more universes in the past may not necessarily have been what DDT was talking about.
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Man, I didn't understand anything.

You will probably only be able to obtain or resolve any doubts about these things with Reiner or Vietthai96.

So maybe you should ask them for help with the blog.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Besides Archie Sonic seems outdated in terms of P&A (And Archie's Chaos energy has things from the games, I don't know why)

If you use xeno goku with the keyword, I think just power null gg since This sonic doesn't seem to have enough layers of resistance based on your justifications.
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Im slowly trudging through the comics to update it. Its hard man.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Besides Archie Sonic seems outdated in terms of P&A (And Archie's Chaos energy has things from the games, I don't know why)

If you use xeno goku with the keyword, I think just power null gg since This sonic doesn't seem to have enough layers of resistance based on your justifications.
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theres plot manip
 
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