Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Me after pull out the extradimensional worlds from Maginaryworld and make the verse 6D:

The cosmology is already 6D thanks to guy but considering the potential R>F shenanigans proposed by Ultima he might be higher.

Saitama, Mori(?), Asura, Sailor Moon (?), Naruto, Ben 10 (?)

Is Heroes Goku vs Archie Sonic fair (on this wiki) with recent upcoming changes?

Depends on which key but at their strongest, Heroes Goku stomps but Archie Sonic is still outdated (especially post-reboot), not that I'll participate in debating in that inevitable super cringe Vs thread.

 

[Brogeefrong]

Saitama, Mori(?), Asura, Sailor Moon (?), Naruto, Ben 10 (?)

Is Heroes Goku vs Archie Sonic fair (on this wiki) with recent upcoming changes?

Im doing Vegeta (No keysword) vs Shadow, and it should be fair

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

CC Goku says hello

And the real monkey king says goodbye to both his imitations (not even hair clone worthy kek!).

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Hey, what do you guys think of my blog? Particularly, section 5.1? Do you think it abides by what DontTalk explained?

It looks good

 

[Brogeefrong]

Depends on which key but at their strongest, Heroes Goku stomps but Archie Sonic is still outdated (especially post-reboot), not that I'll participate in debating in that inevitable super cringe Vs thread.

what about sonics plot manip and goku not having plot resistence

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

what about sonics plot manip and goku not having plot resistence

Don't think it's combat applicable

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

The cosmology is already 6D thanks to guy but considering the potential R>F shenanigans proposed by Ultima he might be higher.

Dragon Ball revision would make DBH only 5D, so.... yeah, it still would be a stomp

 

[Brogeefrong]

Don't think it's combat applicable

Its not said to be so

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

With the way death battles scales superman goku will never win.

Considering DC/Marvel upper herald tier (or above) characters are auto 1-A on Death Battle and (for Marvel) at least High 1-A here on VSBW (seriously High 1-A Thor is both epic and nuts!!!) It'll be a wasted endeavour to continue comparing Goku and Co to the comics duo, I mean even the MCU has a bigger cosmology than Heroes/Xeno even with the tier 1 upgrades.

 

[CryoTheMayo]

Hey, what do you guys think of my blog? Particularly, section 5.1? Do you think it abides by what DontTalk explained?

I dozed off and am waking up again but from what I can tell the 5.1 section is good.

 

[RedReaper616]

Besides Archie Sonic seems outdated in terms of P&A (And Archie's Chaos energy has things from the games, I don't know why)

If you use xeno goku with the keyword, I think just power null gg since This sonic doesn't seem to have enough layers of resistance based on your justifications.

From what I know it’s because the games are canon to Archie—Loosely. Like how ALL of Sonic 06 happened off-screen. Same with many other titles. So their lore applies to Archie (but not the other way around.)

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Hey, what do you guys think of my blog? Particularly, section 5.1? Do you think it abides by what DontTalk explained?

There's still a lot missing, like Trunks' speech explaining about timelines, different stories generate different time flows.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Don't forget to add this, further proving that the Universes have their own time, such as past, present, and future.

This too

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

My time travel scan

And this from here

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Its not said to be so

Like I said I'm not in the debating mood but if you must know it's extremely OOC among other things but again Archie Sonic is outdated. Also last time I checked this is the DB discussion thread so I'm not going to entertain this subject any further.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Hey, what do you guys think of my blog? Particularly, section 5.1? Do you think it abides by what DontTalk explained?

I think it's good to ask Reiner and Vietthai96

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

With the way death battles scales superman goku will never win. Also by this site's logic goku loses to sonic and sailor moon. He also loses to Mori Jin if you give him his nirvana form

Death Battle Broly VS Death battle Superman, The Ultimate Battle

 

[Phsccarvalho]

It's been said 1 million times not to do a VS until absolutely everything is ok.

Everything edited, blog ready and that staff crt completed.

It has already been said by me and other users that it would be harmful to do a VS so quickly followed by updates.

Obviously, those who don't see this general discussion will probably do it, but who knows, don't do it.

 

[CryoTheMayo]

It's been said 1 million times not to do a VS until absolutely everything is ok.

Everything edited, blog ready and that staff crt completed.

It has already been said by me and other users that it would be harmful to do a VS so quickly followed by updates.

Obviously, those who don't see this general discussion will probably do it, but who knows, don't do it.

Yeah I get people want to speculate but I'm concerned it'll lead someone to rush out a thread. Let's just focus making sure everything is clean.

I honestly think threads should be put on hold until we have a comprehensive cosmology blog but it would take too long.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

No battles or relegation back to 3-A

 

[Phsccarvalho]

I honestly think threads should be put on hold until we have a comprehensive cosmology blog but it would take too long.

I would prefer that too, but I'm not a "supporter", I didn't particularly help with anything and I don't even know how to do this type of blog, so I'm not someone to force something like that.

No battles or relegation back to 3-A

agree

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Ngl I don’t see a point of reopening the crt once we finish the blogs we might as well just ask in all purpose channel to unlock them and link the blogs instead

 

[Brogeefrong]

So once everything is sorted out then the profile upgrades happen?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

And don't try to upgrade Jiren over Infinite Zamasu if he can be 5D, are you understanding?

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

And don't try to upgrade Jiren over Infinite Zamasu if he can be 5D, are you understanding?

But Jiren transcends time

 

[Huesito88]

And don't try to upgrade Jiren over Infinite Zamasu if he can be 5D, are you understanding?

Let's hope they drop a scan saying Zamasu was the most dangerous antagonist due to the fact he would've eventually spread throughout the entirety of time, but regardless either way he was far from the strongest one.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Let's hope they drop a scan saying Zamasu was the most dangerous antagonist due to the fact he would've eventually spread throughout the entirety of time, but regardless either way he was far from the strongest one.

Really, I don't think Jiren scales with infinite Zamasu at all

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

But Jiren transcends time

Hyperbole, he transcends Hit's ability, hence the resistance, if he truly transcends time he would not be affected, but is being affected

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

This is the first time I speak hyperbole

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Really, I don't think Jiren scales with infinite Zamasu at all

Basically no one scales to infinity Zamasu besides Zeno and possibly the angels

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Hyperbole, he transcends Hit's ability, hence the resistance, if he truly transcends time he would not be affected, but is being affected

I know, it´s irony, i also use the same argument

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Basically no one scales to infinity Zamasu besides Zeno and possibly the angels

Exactly

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I know, it´s irony, i also use the same argument

Hehehe, Jiren 2D is really good

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

This is the first time I've heard arguments against Jiren>Infinite Zamasu given that was the basis for low 2C DBS for I dunno, three or four years.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

This is the first time I've heard arguments against Jiren>Infinite Zamasu given that was the basis for low 2C DBS for I dunno, three or four years.

This is really very strange, I don't know how someone came up with something like that, but there is no way for Jiren to be superior, Jiren can try to destroy the entire Universe, but it will be in vain, Infinite Zamasu has 4D attacks, which would break Jiren in half

 

[Tyranno223]

The current page for Infinite Zamasu puts him below Fusion Zamasu. Before 2-C, that was what got the Future Saga and after to Low 2-C. Notably, this is for incomplete Infinite Zamasu.

 

[Padaruyos]

So I'm back, and I see the thread has passed.

Welp good luck on your cosmology blog everybody.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

And don't try to upgrade Jiren over Infinite Zamasu if he can be 5D, are you understanding?

Jiren is stronger than IZ but we’re not upgrading IZ since it was recommended to only upgrade Zeno and XV2/DBH characters for now since they scale to the timeline no question

Basically no one scales to infinity Zamasu besides Zeno and possibly the angels

Disagree with this fs

This is really very strange, I don't know how someone came up with something like that, but there is no way for Jiren to be superior, Jiren can try to destroy the entire Universe, but it will be in vain, Infinite Zamasu has 4D attacks, which would break Jiren in half

Jiren is quite literally stated to be the strongest opponent they ever faced in the show and in supplementary material Zamasu being 4D doesn’t matter since Jiren is too in terms of attack potency.

The current page for Infinite Zamasu puts him below Fusion Zamasu. Before 2-C, that was what got the Future Saga and after to Low 2-C. Notably, this is for incomplete Infinite Zamasu.

Clover made a crt that scaled FZ to atleast as strong as IZ a while ago

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

As Vegeta said, even if Beerus killed Zamasu, he would come back and it would happen all over again, Beerus practically had to erase Zamasu before he even tried to do anything, it would actually be very unfair to try to scale Jiren above Zamasu based on nothing and just hyperbole.

 

[Tyranno223]

As Vegeta said, even if Beerus killed Zamasu, he would come back and it would happen all over again, Beerus practically had to erase Zamasu before he even tried to do anything, it would actually be very unfair to try to scale Jiren above Zamasu based on nothing and just hyperbole.

We currently scale (Incomplete) Inf Zamasu below Fusion Zamasu anyway.