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Tell me how a being of superior existence, an abstract, non-physical being that distorts reality with its presence can be defeated??
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
- Thread starter Warren_Valion
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Jiren has the power of baldness, so he solos.
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Some profiles are talking about infinite Zamasu, I will certainly make a crt to remove this, This is something that no one should accept here, even if there is some hyperbole cited.
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Really
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Jiren only lost the tournament of power because Frieza also used the power of baldness
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Yeah no canonically Jiren is stronger than Inf. Zamasu. He wouldn’t ever BEAT Inf Zamasu, but he is certainly STRONGER than him.
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That was Future Zamasu it just means he has Mid Godly Regen. SSJB Goku was quite literally one shotting him in every single instance they fought.
Theres no way you watched the show if you didn’t know Zeno erased bro from existence… all you need is NPI to interact with an abstract being and higher dimensional range&ap
That’s fs getting rejected but if you wanna waste your time
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Idk, it's pretty solid. They couldn't kill Inf Zamasu due to his nature, but his attacks were being tanked by mere Base Goku and Vegeta unlike with Fusion Zamasu.
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Basically it
Spinoirr
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Isn't Shulk 6D, meanwhile Goku will become 5D?
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I mean. Logically wouldn't Tokitoki be 6D as the power of all time whereas a singular timeline is 5D? Meaning Xeno Goku would be 6D?
Lesser Timeline (Time Room, 4D) -> Greater Timeline (5D) -> Master Timeline (Tokitoki, 6D)
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I think we should just do what we did in the old days and rate IZ as "2-C, will eventually become Low 1-C".
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Best to leave that stuff for once DT and the rest is fully settled.
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i wouldn't waste my time on it, range should be enough
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I don't think that would be good, Jiren would climb according to what they said, and then the whole cast would go together, so that will be rejected.
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He only scales to the 2-C Zamasu, not the eventually Low 1-C part.
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I'm just telling you now, if you were to do this, so many characters would be low 1-C, idk if that's right, range for zamasu seems solid. We don't really know if he would have fused with the entire timeline or not, or even overtime. Because this would end of scaling to the end result, and then jiren scales, then goku, so on and so forth. Tier 2 and beyond, overtime feats don't matter.
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Exactly
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Why exactly would Zamasu eventually becoming Low 1-C result in everyone scaling? I seem to recall Zamasu was stated to be 'eventually 2-C' in the past and no one scaled to it then. What's changed since then?
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This is really good
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Then that's wrong, overtime feats would still scale to the character, he would already have to possess low 1-C power to merge with a low 1-C timeline no matter how long it takes, that is why destroying a low 2-C structure overtime is still low 2-C, because you can't quantify it by time since destroying spacetime on that level is non calculable. Same for low 1-C, so zamasu will end up scaling to the end result, fused zamasu=infinite zamasu since there was no statement his power increased, it was just his body spreading apart the multiverse. Then jiren scales to either one.
Skarfz
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This is the same problem y'all had before.
Everybody scared of krillin and the lower Z warriors becoming 2-C because "they were humans" even though they had a direct feat.
Pretty sure they call Jiren the strongest ever seen when they literally saw a being fuse with timelines.
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The wiki never accepted Infinite Zamasu merging fully with the timeline. The eventually rating is theoretical on here.
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iirc, he was eventually 2-B at one point, and goku scaled.
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Really? I thought that was rejected back then.
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Zamasu's tier is based upon what he is, that being the Macrocosm he fused himself with, he never fused with all other timelines, nor did he with the entire timeline, so he wouldn't scale to them until he actually does it and becomes it
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I also didn't like Krillin being 2-C, but over time I came to accept that, but climbing with infinite Zamasu is absurd.
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Nope, it may have been for a short time, but it did happen. It would be the same with low 1-C if we were to do, "eventually low 1-C".
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i don't think anyone ever scaled to the overtime feat at all on this site
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That isn't true, and "eventually" rating means he already has the power, like i said, overtime feats do not matter for tier 2 and above.
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it was a long time ago, im sure somebody here knows. I dont have screenshots unfortunately
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To clarify:
Infinite Zamasu = 2-C at a baseline
Infinite Zamasu = Low 1-C (Eventually)
Zamasu was erased by Zeno before he could become Low 1-C.
In the past it was accepted that Infinite Zamasu was Low 2-C and was becoming 2-C overtime but no one scaled to that. It was just a 'hypothetical' eventuality.
Infinite Zamasu = 2-C at a baseline
Infinite Zamasu = Low 1-C (Eventually)
Zamasu was erased by Zeno before he could become Low 1-C.
In the past it was accepted that Infinite Zamasu was Low 2-C and was becoming 2-C overtime but no one scaled to that. It was just a 'hypothetical' eventuality.
I'm not making an argument for or against it. I'm just saying that's how it was for several years and I don't believe anything has changed the staff's minds ever since.
I'm afraid it's going to happen regardless. Someone is going to argue for Low 1-C Zamasu and someone is going to argue that Jiren scales above that. You could consider this our civil war arc.
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Regardless, it wouldn't apply now. Jiren would remain 2-C.
Edit: What Cryo said.
Edit: What Cryo said.
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I have a link to where the attempt took place
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i don't remember him ever scaling, if you could show me i would be happy
no, it is because he would have fused and then scaled due to him being that thing, his rating came entirely on the fact that he was a universe, not because he would overtime destroy them all
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Infinite Zamasu potential upgrade
Tried once previously but got chocked to death coz Forum Move. Infinite Zamasu should be upgraded to "would eventually become 2-C, potentially 2-B" because: Zamasu knew about other timelines other than his and Present one, we see this in the Ep 54 when Gowasu makes Zamasu know about the...
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Infinite zamasu in power would still be 2-C, but not 2-C in existence.
His power was still low 1-C
It was 2-B at some point, ill try to find it.
maybe
Ill disagree then, it will lead to bad things.
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Honestly I don't think the Zamasu scaling stuff matters to me because I genuinely believe there will be some scaling to Zeno in the future anyways. I'm more concerned about a comprehensive cosmology blog and later getting 6 2-C for the manga.
I just feel like some fools are going to run amok with Low 1-C Jiren CRTs regardless of what anyone says.
I just feel like some fools are going to run amok with Low 1-C Jiren CRTs regardless of what anyone says.
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