Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[CryoTheMayo]

Gotta love how I finish reading the entire blog then check the thread and it's Pein just dismissing the entire thing as 'the same thing' then saying he isn't even going to read it (so how does he know it's the same thing???)

Not to be rude but why is this guy even allowed to post in the thread when he brings nothing to the discussion but a dismissive and disrespectful attitude? I haven't seen him actually engage with anything.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

And people will just follow the reply and the matter is closed.

 

[TiltedFN]

Gotta love how I finish reading the entire blog then check the thread and it's Pein just dismissing the entire thing as 'the same thing' then saying he isn't even going to read it (so how does he know it's the same thing???)

Not to be rude but why is this guy even allowed to post in the thread when he brings nothing to the discussion but a dismissive and disrespectful attitude? I haven't seen him actually engage with anything.

Well what matters is the staff, if pein chooses to ignore everything, then there's nothing we can really do about it. I just hope we can actually engage in a conversation instead of an FRA train, and some actual counterarguments.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Nah the staff will latch on pein. The matter has ended.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Ngl I don’t really care if the Low 1-C db timeline crt doesn’t get accepted but not wanting to read the blog because you think you’re not bothered to do so and commenting on a staff crt to tell us you’re not gonna be bothered to read it is just being disingenuous

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

How would Goku do in Five Nights at Freddy's?

 

[Dust_Collector]

Stops at Night 4 tbh

 

[Fezzih_007]

How would Goku do in Five Nights at Freddy's?

 

[CryoTheMayo]

How would Goku do in Five Nights at Freddy's?

Well seeing as they could tell Moro's energy was like the screaming souls of his victims I imagine Goku would immediately deduce the Animatronics are haunted by suffering children and would get right onto dealing with that, probably with the Dragon Balls. Which he would then use (perhaps with someone else like Bulma chiming in) to find out what happened to them. Then Goku goes and makes William Afton look like a ******* clown, possibly even going as far as using Hakai.

 

[Tipper17]

So
Anime-UI Goku>LB Ssj4 Xeno Goku>=UI OMEN
Games-UI Goku>LB SSJ4 XENO>UI OMEN

 

[Tyranno223]

LB SSJ4 must be quite the power boost considering SSJ4 Xeno Goku was < SSJ Blue C.C Goku... then again, I guess he could have just gotten a lot stronger in base.

 

[TegamiBachi25]

Can I ask what are the calcs for DBS Anime Vegeta and DBS Manga Frieza at each of their keys? I'm still way too confused with the scaling chain for anime and manga respectively.

 

[ChronoULT]

Is this looking convincing enough?

• Limited Fear Inducing and Paralysis Inducement (Can induce a minor level of fear into weaker opponents, bigger when the user has malicious ki, forcing an sensation of being crushed, paralyzed, and making the opponent lose the will to fight)

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I'm thinking Social Influencing.

 

[Spinoirr]

Can I ask what are the calcs for DBS Anime Vegeta and DBS Manga Frieza at each of their keys? I'm still way too confused with the scaling chain for anime and manga respectively.

Super Manga scaling blog

Have no idea why it isn't on the verse page yet

 

[ChronoULT]

I'm thinking Social Influencing.

I am a little confused if it's limited fear inducing or social influencing, since it's using a supernatural power to induce it, althought Garou has fear inducement because of his aura (?)

 

[SwordLegendz01]

Is this looking convincing enough?

Thoughts on this?

 

[ChronoULT]

Thoughts on this?

Yeah, i think it's pretty blatant fear inducement

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Yeah, i think it's pretty blatant fear inducement

That's literally just being intimidated by somebody stronger.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

That's literally just being intimidated by somebody stronger.

Don't think you finished watching the first one

 

[SwordLegendz01]

That's literally just being intimidated by somebody stronger.

About how Vados understood best what Champa was going through at that time and Goku seemed to scare Moro that even when he was in Ultra Instinct Sign he didn't feel that way about him just saying something about the power of a god

 

[RedReaper616]

That's literally just being intimidated by somebody stronger.

I can see this for the second, but not the first. Hit and Goku literally force Champa back and to sit down with a glare despite the fact the GoD massively outstats the two by a wide margin, whilst he was covered in his Ki (and thus should technically be exhibiting heightened bravery/courage considering Ki is fundamentally made of the stuff). Mind you, this Goku is vastly inferior to the one that made the GoDs look at him in awe at the Exhibition, so realistically it has nothing to do with power and everything to do with the two's ability to instill fear.

Now whether this is due to Ki or due to their individual abilities is up for discussion.

 

[CryoTheMayo]

Super Manga scaling blog

Have no idea why it isn't on the verse page yet

Seems like a good resource but I would like to add that this doesn't factor in Super Hero feats yet. We do see Base Goku fight on par with Base Broly there, whereas Wrathful Broly (10x base) was on a similar level to SSB Goku then likely grew much stronger as a Super Saiyan. It's likely Post-Granolah Base Goku is on a similar level to Pre-Moro CSSB Goku.

You can also potentially use that to scale Black Freeza, as it seems likely neither of the saiyans have reached his level yet.

 

[CryoTheMayo]

Now whether this is due to Ki or due to their individual abilities is up for discussion.

I could see Hit having an individual ability as an Assassin but has Goku ever illustrated a distinct ability for Fear Inducement beforehand? If not then I'd say it's very likely to be related to Ki and anyone could do it.

 

[Spinoirr]

Seems like a good resource but I would like to add that this doesn't factor in Super Hero feats yet. We do see Base Goku fight on par with Base Broly there, whereas Wrathful Broly (10x base) was on a similar level to SSB Goku then likely grew much stronger as a Super Saiyan. It's likely Post-Granolah Base Goku is on a similar level to Pre-Moro CSSB Goku.

You can also potentially use that to scale Black Freeza, as it seems likely neither of the saiyans have reached his level yet.

Ask the person who made it to update it

 

[RedReaper616]

I could see Hit having an individual ability as an Assassin but has Goku ever illustrated a distinct ability for Fear Inducement beforehand? If not then I'd say it's very likely to be related to Ki and anyone could do it.

I don’t think any iteration of Goku has displayed such outside of instances where his enemies are literally scared of his higher level of power relative to them (Like the Ginyu’s, Frieza, or for a real throwback Tao Pai Pai. Also King Piccolo’s fear in his last moments if that counts, but I doubt it does. I’d even argue Moro counts as this, even though he distinctly can’t sense Goku’s power here. Mostly because even characters that can’t sense Ki {Like the Frieza Force} even without Scouters display this type of fear, and we also know that whilst God Ki can’t be sensed, the PRESSURE of it can.)

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Don't think you finished watching the first one

You're right, that's my mistake.

Even still, though, what implies that Goku and Hit are manipulating fear? Supernaturally creating and instilling fear within Champa?

Throughout the tournament, Champa and Vados have been propping Hit up for his infallible killing abilities, and, if I recall correctly, witnessing Blue Kaio-ken x10 spurred Beerus into even entertaining Whis's idea that Goku could be steadily rising up to his level.

Additionally, I completely forgot that terrorizing a target via demeanor is Social Influencing, too.

 

[SwordLegendz01]

Can Moro aslo sense God Ki?

 

[RedReaper616]

Actually, Moro would straight up qualify as just intimidated by power, as Moro could sense UIO. So could base Vegeta, across the galaxy. This is important, because the God Ki passive is confirmed, which is why Vegeta must use IT instead of Pybara. Moro copied his powers, so he should have that sensory capacity.

At first I was thinking Moro couldn’t sense MUI, so it’d be another layer of Extrasensory Perception Resistance, but that’s actually not hinted at when I reviewed the chapters in question—Unless I missed something.

 

[RedReaper616]

Can Moro also sense God Ki?

Yes, he seemingly can.

 

[Vietthai96]

Made a small section for universal energy system, ki amplifying stats and blah blah blah, anything more i should add in this section? I was thinking about explaining the control of AoE

Should be Statistics Manipulation rather than just Amplification, Ki users can manipulate their stats by either lowering or increasing their ki (well obviously there is an upper limit)

 

[ChronoULT]

Should be Statistics Manipulation rather than just Amplification, Ki users can manipulate their stats by either lowering or increasing their ki (well obviously there is an upper limit)

Yeah, that will fit way better

 

[Vietthai96]

Even still, though, what implies that Goku and Hit are manipulating fear? Supernaturally creating and instilling fear within Champa

I mean, characters get fear-inducing hax on their profile all the time because they just simply inducing fear, idk why we should not do it with FB

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Whataboutism.

 

[Vietthai96]

Whataboutism.

While i too do not like Whataboutism, but if it can bring fairness i will use it, i mean, if other verses didn't get accepted and listed fear-inducing hax on their profiles just because they can intimidating peoples, then i'm perfectly fine with not listing it in DB pages, but if those things get accepted by staffs, that mean it meet the standard so, why not

 

[Nullflowerblush]

See, this is why I'm an Opponent now.

 

[Vietthai96]

See, this is why I'm an Opponent now.

let me guess, it is because of me right

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

I pray that Toriyama does something with the earthlings in a future movie, or even in a future arc.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

a perfectly reasonable point

'See? This is why I'm an opponent.'

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Does the dmc thread help us at all? Seems like their arguments can help our thread. Also shouldn't the universes expanding infinitely support that the above dimension housing them would be able to house a collection of infinite 4-d structures?