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DBZ had, in my opinion, one of the most consistent depictions of time travel in fiction. DBS on the other hand, it's kind of a mess...HOLY SHIT THE ORIGINAL TIMELINE IS THE ONE CELL CAME FROM AND CELL TRAVELING TO THE PAST CREATED TRUNKS'S TIMELINE AND TRUNKS TRAVELLING TO THE PAST CREATED OUR TIMELINE (I THINK) DRAGON BALL FOREVER CALLS CELL'S TIMELINES "DIMENSION 1" AND TRUNKS'S TIMELINE "DIMENSION 2"
Isn’t this wrong? I thought Cell kills Trunks AFTER Trunks already succeeded with the Androids and was returning to all his friends he made—Hence why Cell had to return to the past in the first place. (Because Trunks handled the Androids).The Four Timelines of DBZ
• Original Timeline: Cell kills Trunks and steals his Time Machine.
DB Multiverse actually expands on the Unseen timeline.The Four Timelines of DBZ
• Original Timeline: Cell kills Trunks and steals his Time Machine.
• Unseen Timeline: Created by the Trunks from the Original Timeline. The Androids are defeated here and Cell never appears (although his embryo might still be on Gero's Lab)
• Main Timeline: Created by the Cell from the Original Timeline. The main storyline takes place here.
• Trunks' Timeline: Trunks defeats the Androids and Cell extremely easily thanks to his training in the Time Chamber.
Notes: The Main and Unseen are mirror timelines. What does that mean? It means that they're similar, almost identical, but with some minor differences. The Original and Trunks' are also mirror timelines.
That's correct, Trunks already made a trip before. That trip created the Unseen Timeline that i mentioned on my post. Before he could make a second trip he was killed by Cell, who would then make a trip himself, creating the Main Timeline in the process.THEN after Trunks already time traveled, before he’s able to make his second trip he’s ambushed and killed by Cell
There's a theory that says the Android 13 Movie takes place in the Unseen Timeline.DB Multiverse actually expands on the Unseen timeline.
Trunks from the original timeline, instead of training, deactivates the androids with the kill button, which is how Cell murks him.
In the Unseen timeline, after befriending the androids (and being refused the time chamber from the lack of Cell), they all died to Majin Buu years later
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But, like, where did this timeline originate?• Trunks' Timeline: Trunks defeats the Androids and Cell extremely easily thanks to his training in the Time Chamber.
Could be but would be limited as it only works on those weaker.Does fear-inducing aura looks plausible for Dragon Ball? We know it can terrorize the enemy, like Raditz, Vegeta and Freeza did, but only when there is a gap in power
Yeah, but it’s also related to their maliciousness. As one gets more malicious, their Ki becomes that much more fear inducing. There’s also the unique case of Cell, who can have the dead’s consumed energy/“Souls” be sensed—Said energy being a writhing and screaming mass of agony. Then there are those whose energy signatures are simply fundamentally broken, like the Trio De Dangers (who couldn’t be sensed at all) and Buu (whose energy signature was deceptive and could not accurately be parsed).Does fear-inducing aura looks plausible for Dragon Ball? We know it can terrorize the enemy, like Raditz, Vegeta and Freeza did, but only when there is a gap in power
• Trunks' Timeline: Trunks defeats the Androids and Cell extremely easily thanks to his training in the Time Chamber.
There's an explanation for this but it is very complex so bear with me.where did this timeline originate?
I'm really curious about what happened in this timeline. Did Babidi ever get enough energy to release Buu? If he did, did Beerus stop Buu? Did Freeza's soldiers ever find Namek and resurrect Freeza? What about Moro? Did Zeno go through with erasing the universes or was someone able to offer an alternative?• Original Timeline: Cell kills Trunks and steals his Time Machine.
A slight issue with all these timelines is that we have to wonder how many universes still exist. In the previous timelines Zeno may have erased all but 4 of the universes like he originally planned. If we ever had a feat of destroying 'all timelines' then that would get in the way a fair bit.There is also the universe 12 timeline. That one should by virtue of the time created have the most differences with the current one.
A slight issue with all these timelines is that we have to wonder how many universes still exist. In the previous timelines Zeno may have erased all but 4 of the universes like he originally planned. If we ever had a feat of destroying 'all timelines' then that would get in the way a fair bit.
It's entirely possible that every timeline except the main timeline has only four universes because those other timelines didn't have Goku in the right place, time and level of power to influence Zeno and to also be capable of winning the ToP and having 17 wish the universes back.
Yes, and Zeno planned on erasing 8 of the 12 universes already. In the manga he was about to do it right before Goku showed up just because he was bored of them.If there didn't exist a goku then the ToP wouldn't happen though.
I believe it was stated Zeno intended on wiping out the lowest 8 universes but chose to use the ToP to spare the one universe that proves itself worthy. The anime has it revealed towards the end that Zeno would have erased all of the universes if the winner had made a selfish wish though, implying he was always hoping for the winner to restore the lost universes.Was that stated in the anime? Haven't really read the manga.
There’s apparently a DBH card showing Ultimate SSJ GohanI mean, it seems like GT Gohan is the only Gohan to take that sort of stance, as GT Perfect files states he still kept up with his training, maintaining his “Ultimate” form in his base and then he goes SSJ on top of that form a power boost.
Despite the fact that’s not how it works in the source material…(Z)
Which technically is fine, because even the canon continuation (DBS) also works incorrectly in comparison to the source material…
I believe it was stated Zeno intended on wiping out the lowest 8 universes but chose to use the ToP to spare the one universe that proves itself worthy. The anime has it revealed towards the end that Zeno would have erased all of the universes if the winner had made a selfish wish though, implying he was always hoping for the winner to restore the lost universes.
Comparatively in the manga version none of that is ever stated. Zeno was going to erase 8 of the 12 universes on a whim. He only did the ToP out of selfish entertainment. Android 17 restored the erased universes to spite Zeno. The only one that shows any approval over 17's wish is the Grand Priest who smiles at him after hearing his wish.
It’s not much better for normal Future Timeline Bulma. She got a hot second of peace and then she was terrorized by Babidi and Dabura only for then, RIGHT AFTER, for Black to appear, terrorize then further (to the brink of extinction) and then ultimately dies thanks to a foe who looks like her oldest and closest friend.I feel really bad for the Original Timeline Bulma: all her friends dead forever, no Dragon Balls, etc. And the moment they finally defeat the androids and have some peace... her son gets killed by a bio-android and the time machine gets stolen. It's honestly really tragic.
The manga has only depicted them as pretty sociopathic. They literally play with the universes as chess pieces and decide to erase 8 universes because '"Six pieces for each of us is too many, let's have two each instead!" and one of the main reasons 17 makes his wish is just to spite them for toying with mortals.So are Zeno in the anime somewhat more morally good than the manga ones?
Yes, which makes me wonder if anyone should really be concerned about the idea of Freeza being Omni-King. He's evil but I don't see what he would do worse than Zeno, and him being a guy that loves playing Civilisation and Europa Universalis would probably make him care more about his universes being high-quality.So in anime they may have a plan in mind but are still monsters while in manga there are pure monsters.
wouldn't mind Hearts but canon versionYeah imagine finding out that the supreme being that governs over all of existence was this callous creature that just... doesn't really care for mortal life and plays games at the expense of said lives. I would feel very disturbed and uneasy, maybe even infuriated.
Uhh a new Dokkan Battle advertisement, some new figure, an announcement of an upcoming announcement and something related to how great and wonderful Dragon Ball is.What can we expect?