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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

HOLY SHIT THE ORIGINAL TIMELINE IS THE ONE CELL CAME FROM AND CELL TRAVELING TO THE PAST CREATED TRUNKS'S TIMELINE AND TRUNKS TRAVELLING TO THE PAST CREATED OUR TIMELINE (I THINK) DRAGON BALL FOREVER CALLS CELL'S TIMELINES "DIMENSION 1" AND TRUNKS'S TIMELINE "DIMENSION 2"
 
At the very least, the Milky Way in Dragon Ball is twice as large as in the real world, seeing as how our galaxy only has 100 billion stars.
Our current estimates of the Milky Way having 100 billion stars are just that, estimates, they may very well be wrong (and have been in the past). Generally large galaxies like the Milky Way and tha Andromeda galaxy are believed to have stars ranging from 200 billion to 400 billion. Also that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s twice as large in volume/size, you do realize there is a massive amount of space between stars right?
 
HOLY SHIT THE ORIGINAL TIMELINE IS THE ONE CELL CAME FROM AND CELL TRAVELING TO THE PAST CREATED TRUNKS'S TIMELINE AND TRUNKS TRAVELLING TO THE PAST CREATED OUR TIMELINE (I THINK) DRAGON BALL FOREVER CALLS CELL'S TIMELINES "DIMENSION 1" AND TRUNKS'S TIMELINE "DIMENSION 2"
Yeah that makes sense. Actually the original timeline should be the universe 12 one.

Also if the endless darkness statement is enough for DMC to get an infinite universe no idea why it can't be used for DB.
 
At the very least, the Milky Way in Dragon Ball is twice as large as in the real world, seeing as how our galaxy only has 100 billion stars.
Also note that not only is Earth at the edge of the Universe (according to DBS), but Earth is also at the edge of our Galaxy (according to Jaco the Patrolman).

(For reference, the Solar System is only 25K Light Years away from the galactic center, and the edge {at least according to this article} would be at around 35x further away than our Solar System is from the galactic center IRL.)
 
Why doesn't the Galactic Patrol use the Extinction Bomb on Freeza's army after he wipes out the Saiyans if the Saiyans are the only ones immune to it.
The Extinction Bomb works on a specific race (the one it’s programmed to kill), one, so just dropping it on Frieza’s army wouldn’t be all that effective considering it has a vast and diverse array of species working within the Frieza Force. It’s just not practical, or effective.

But also, as said by Toriyama himself, Frieza’s beaten the tar out of them before, and it’s taboo to talk about him (and presumably his army). Even if you wanted to say this attempt likely means they tried to use the Extinction Bomb, we don’t know the mechanics of how he survived it. We don’t know if it simply wasn’t activated in time, if Frieza walked it off, etc. Which is why I want to put it as a potentially.
 
Yeah that makes sense. Actually the original timeline should be the universe 12 one.

Also if the endless darkness statement is enough for DMC to get an infinite universe no idea why it can't be used for DB.
DMC has more than 1 statement that calls the DW infinite in size. Last I counted, there was 7, though since we’re not counting PoC, probably more like 4.
 
I think is because the universe can't have a center or something, so is not Infinite.
wut o_O

Why the hell is DB finite ... did you weirdos use some fake scans or some shit? 🤣

What the hell did i miss ...
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The Extinction Bomb works on a specific race (the one it’s programmed to kill), one, so just dropping it on Frieza’s army wouldn’t be all that effective considering it has a vast and diverse array of species working within the Frieza Force. It’s just not practical, or effective.

But also, as said by Toriyama himself, Frieza’s beaten the tar out of them before, and it’s taboo to talk about him (and presumably his army). Even if you wanted to say this attempt likely means they tried to use the Extinction Bomb, we don’t know the mechanics of how he survived it. We don’t know if it simply wasn’t activated in time, if Frieza walked it off, etc. Which is why I want to put it as a potentially.
Each member of the Galactic Patrol has an Extinction Bomb. There are shown to be hundreds of Patrollers at minimum, likely thousands. There aren't even hundreds of different races in the Freeza Force. So once again, what exactly is stopping the Galactic Patrol from defeating Freeza? Just key up dozens of Extinction Bombs and get to work.

No, really. If they just went to a warzone Freeza was at and keyed their Extinction bombs to each species in his army and detonated them on the attacked planet they could wipe out his entire army. Especially if they lured Freeza out and released a virus keyed to his own race. This wouldn't even be a danger to innocents of those various species because Freeza would be attacking planets he hasn't already enslaved or wiped out. That doesn't even get into the fact that if the Extinction Bomb worked then Jaco could have just keyed a bomb to Freeza's species and used it in RoF. Instantly ending the invasion.

And if it were Freeza that 'beat the tar' out of them then why didn't even a single Galactic Patroller detonate an Extinction Bomb keyed to his species? Keep in mind King Cold was active for decades or even centuries beforehand with his Cold Force so this isn't some sort of first encounter with his kind.

You're essentially arguing that the Galactic Patrol never ever attempted to use an Extinction Bomb against their worst enemy who embodies everything they stand against and they just chickened out when we've seen time and again that they're willing to put their lives on the line for their duties. The only reason the Galactic Patrol would stop even trying with Freeza is if they deduced there was nothing they could do full stop.
 
Also, which one would have more priority, Dragon Ball Minus, or DBS: Broly?

I ask because Bardock’s reason for sending Goku away in the Manga is that he senses the presence of death, which could be used as a sensory feat for him.
Pretty sure Broly takes precedence because Toriyama directly worked on it and it's the latest iteration on the scene with the manga even referencing its events. Also I don't think that's meant to be taking as a literal extrasensory ability otherwise Gine wouldn't follow up questioning his behaviour, she'd be asking what he means by 'sensing death'.
 
Basically, any mention of the universe having infinite size is hyperbole, but I recall that even koyama confirms that such statements can be interpreted literally.
wut o_O

Why the hell is DB finite ... did you weirdos use some fake scans or some shit? 🤣

What the hell did i miss ...
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The last page of Dr slump:
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Dragonball in 2023 and thats without the anime. Anime boosts your sales like crazy. Good examples are Demon Slayers, Saint Seiya and Slam Dunk.
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Goku is the real pirate King!! ((couldnt find a pirate version of Goku from Toriyama))
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Dr. Slump was a huge success, and its still funny to see signs of nervousness from top guys like Akira Toriyama, haha.
 
HOLY SHIT THE ORIGINAL TIMELINE IS THE ONE CELL CAME FROM AND CELL TRAVELING TO THE PAST CREATED TRUNKS'S TIMELINE AND TRUNKS TRAVELLING TO THE PAST CREATED OUR TIMELINE (I THINK) DRAGON BALL FOREVER CALLS CELL'S TIMELINES "DIMENSION 1" AND TRUNKS'S TIMELINE "DIMENSION 2"
DBZ had, in my opinion, one of the most consistent depictions of time travel in fiction. DBS on the other hand, it's kind of a mess...
 
The Four Timelines of DBZ

• Original Timeline: Cell kills Trunks and steals his Time Machine.

• Unseen Timeline: Created by the Trunks from the Original Timeline. The Androids are defeated here and Cell never appears (although his embryo might still be on Gero's Lab)

• Main Timeline: Created by the Cell from the Original Timeline. The main storyline takes place here.

• Trunks' Timeline: Trunks defeats the Androids and Cell extremely easily thanks to his training in the Time Chamber.

Notes: The Main and Unseen are mirror timelines. What does that mean? It means that they're similar, almost identical, but with some minor differences. The Original and Trunks' are also mirror timelines.
 
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The Four Timelines of DBZ

• Original Timeline: Cell kills Trunks and steals his Time Machine.
Isn’t this wrong? I thought Cell kills Trunks AFTER Trunks already succeeded with the Androids and was returning to all his friends he made—Hence why Cell had to return to the past in the first place. (Because Trunks handled the Androids).

THEN after Trunks already time traveled, before he’s able to make his second trip he’s ambushed and killed by Cell, creating the Cell timeline (which he then breaks by moving his time travel date backwards, which we know disconnects parallel worlds until they invent a fix for this in DBS, creating a plot hole).
 
The Four Timelines of DBZ

• Original Timeline: Cell kills Trunks and steals his Time Machine.

• Unseen Timeline: Created by the Trunks from the Original Timeline. The Androids are defeated here and Cell never appears (although his embryo might still be on Gero's Lab)

• Main Timeline: Created by the Cell from the Original Timeline. The main storyline takes place here.

• Trunks' Timeline: Trunks defeats the Androids and Cell extremely easily thanks to his training in the Time Chamber.

Notes: The Main and Unseen are mirror timelines. What does that mean? It means that they're similar, almost identical, but with some minor differences. The Original and Trunks' are also mirror timelines.
DB Multiverse actually expands on the Unseen timeline.

Trunks from the original timeline, instead of training, deactivates the androids with the kill button, which is how Cell murks him.

In the Unseen timeline, after befriending the androids (and being refused the time chamber from the lack of Cell), they all died to Majin Buu years later
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THEN after Trunks already time traveled, before he’s able to make his second trip he’s ambushed and killed by Cell
That's correct, Trunks already made a trip before. That trip created the Unseen Timeline that i mentioned on my post. Before he could make a second trip he was killed by Cell, who would then make a trip himself, creating the Main Timeline in the process.
 
DB Multiverse actually expands on the Unseen timeline.

Trunks from the original timeline, instead of training, deactivates the androids with the kill button, which is how Cell murks him.

In the Unseen timeline, after befriending the androids (and being refused the time chamber from the lack of Cell), they all died to Majin Buu years later
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There's a theory that says the Android 13 Movie takes place in the Unseen Timeline.
 
• Trunks' Timeline: Trunks defeats the Androids and Cell extremely easily thanks to his training in the Time Chamber.
But, like, where did this timeline originate?

The only way for Future Trunks's world and the main world to co-exist is if Cell travelling back twenty years created Future Trunks's world, and then Future Trunks travelling back seventeen years created the main world.

or...
cell travelling back in time splintered the original timeline into future trunks's world and the main world
like how trunks time travelling splintered the main timeline into our timeline and the timeline where zamasu became black
 
That also reminds me, in the Unseen Timeline there should be no Cell—Krillin killed him in the Basement. Or, conversely, that creates a new second unseen Timeline considering Trunks created this initial one.
 
The timelines that they can time travel are created when the history is changed, and not by the action of time travelling, so

1. Trunks goes to the past. First, original Timeline
2. A new timeline is created when Trunks kills Freeza and Cold instead of Goku, changing the history. Second Timeline
3. Trunks likely founds the Androids blueprints
4. Trunks goes back to his future (First Timeline) with the control to destroy the Androids and succeeds
5. Cell finds Trunks, kills him and goes to the past of the Second Timeline, everything happens normally until they found Cell's time machine
6. A new timeline is created because the history changed, since Trunks was supposed to go back to the future, but he stayed after discovering Cell's time machine. Third Timeline, and the one we see in the manga and anime
7. After the Cell Games, Trunks time travels to the future (First Timeline) and kills Cell, changing the history and creating the fourth timeline, since he was supposed to die
 
Does fear-inducing aura looks plausible for Dragon Ball? We know it can terrorize the enemy, like Raditz, Vegeta and Freeza did, but only when there is a gap in power
 
Does fear-inducing aura looks plausible for Dragon Ball? We know it can terrorize the enemy, like Raditz, Vegeta and Freeza did, but only when there is a gap in power
Yeah, but it’s also related to their maliciousness. As one gets more malicious, their Ki becomes that much more fear inducing. There’s also the unique case of Cell, who can have the dead’s consumed energy/“Souls” be sensed—Said energy being a writhing and screaming mass of agony. Then there are those whose energy signatures are simply fundamentally broken, like the Trio De Dangers (who couldn’t be sensed at all) and Buu (whose energy signature was deceptive and could not accurately be parsed).
 
• Trunks' Timeline: Trunks defeats the Androids and Cell extremely easily thanks to his training in the Time Chamber.
where did this timeline originate?
There's an explanation for this but it is very complex so bear with me.

The moment Trunks used the Time Machine he did one thing: he created a new timeline.

The moment Cell used the Time Machine he did two things: he created a new timeline and created a mirror effect.

This "mirror effect" occurs because he's creating a timeline based on another one where a "Future" already exists. This means that another "Future" has to exist for this process to make sense.

Here's a visual explanation of this process:
 
• Original Timeline: Cell kills Trunks and steals his Time Machine.
I'm really curious about what happened in this timeline. Did Babidi ever get enough energy to release Buu? If he did, did Beerus stop Buu? Did Freeza's soldiers ever find Namek and resurrect Freeza? What about Moro? Did Zeno go through with erasing the universes or was someone able to offer an alternative?

Feels like there would be a lot of potential there for a spinoff story.
 
There is also the universe 12 timeline. That one should by virtue of the time created have the most differences with the current one.
 
There is also the universe 12 timeline. That one should by virtue of the time created have the most differences with the current one.
A slight issue with all these timelines is that we have to wonder how many universes still exist. In the previous timelines Zeno may have erased all but 4 of the universes like he originally planned. If we ever had a feat of destroying 'all timelines' then that would get in the way a fair bit.

It's entirely possible that every timeline except the main timeline has only four universes because those other timelines didn't have Goku in the right place, time and level of power to influence Zeno and to also be capable of winning the ToP and having 17 wish the universes back.
 
A slight issue with all these timelines is that we have to wonder how many universes still exist. In the previous timelines Zeno may have erased all but 4 of the universes like he originally planned. If we ever had a feat of destroying 'all timelines' then that would get in the way a fair bit.

It's entirely possible that every timeline except the main timeline has only four universes because those other timelines didn't have Goku in the right place, time and level of power to influence Zeno and to also be capable of winning the ToP and having 17 wish the universes back.

If there didn't exist a goku then the ToP wouldn't happen though.
 
Was that stated in the anime? Haven't really read the manga.
I believe it was stated Zeno intended on wiping out the lowest 8 universes but chose to use the ToP to spare the one universe that proves itself worthy. The anime has it revealed towards the end that Zeno would have erased all of the universes if the winner had made a selfish wish though, implying he was always hoping for the winner to restore the lost universes.

Comparatively in the manga version none of that is ever stated. Zeno was going to erase 8 of the 12 universes on a whim. He only did the ToP out of selfish entertainment. Android 17 restored the erased universes to spite Zeno. The only one that shows any approval over 17's wish is the Grand Priest who smiles at him after hearing his wish.
 
I mean, it seems like GT Gohan is the only Gohan to take that sort of stance, as GT Perfect files states he still kept up with his training, maintaining his “Ultimate” form in his base and then he goes SSJ on top of that form a power boost.

Despite the fact that’s not how it works in the source material…(Z)

Which technically is fine, because even the canon continuation (DBS) also works incorrectly in comparison to the source material…
There’s apparently a DBH card showing Ultimate SSJ Gohan
 
I believe it was stated Zeno intended on wiping out the lowest 8 universes but chose to use the ToP to spare the one universe that proves itself worthy. The anime has it revealed towards the end that Zeno would have erased all of the universes if the winner had made a selfish wish though, implying he was always hoping for the winner to restore the lost universes.

Comparatively in the manga version none of that is ever stated. Zeno was going to erase 8 of the 12 universes on a whim. He only did the ToP out of selfish entertainment. Android 17 restored the erased universes to spite Zeno. The only one that shows any approval over 17's wish is the Grand Priest who smiles at him after hearing his wish.

So are Zeno in the anime somewhat more morally good than the manga ones?
 
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