Serlock_Holmes
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Honestly just venting. Is it not allowed or just kinda weird?
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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Eh, I think it's a little weird. Might just be me though.
Serlock_Holmes
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Eh this thread didn't do me good. Lost a whole lot of time not studying.
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max power kamehameha>Roshi's max power......what is hard to understand?
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Except I don't believe this
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Fair enough.
No point arguing it here. I'll address it in the CRT tomorrow.
Serlock_Holmes
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Roshi's kamehameha is Roshi's max power focused on a single spot. It's not above it but rather the same. You can argue about making it smaller thus making it more effective but as far as pure power is concerned it's not above Roshi's max power..
It's Roshi's max power. Same way Kikoho is Tien's max power but used more effectively. If you would like to believe Kamehameha as a technique somehow is better than the sum totality of it's ki then Kikoho also does that but better and Tien's ki is equal or beyond Roshi's so...
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when goku did the kamehameha against raditz his PL went up, when piccolo did the makenkosapo against raditz his PL went up significantly, concentrated attacks raise you AP in DB
Serlock_Holmes
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I mean you could say attacks somehow are more effective in using ki but it's still roughly the same as using all your ki in a punch. But even if kamehameha had a way that increases it's power more than the Ki used the kikoho does that even better said by Roshi.
Serlock_Holmes
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Wanna know why? Because they use ki sparingly to not run out. Using attacks galvanize much more ki and that's why the power level increases because instead of using ki sparingly it's used in a big attack. These attacks are of course stronger than regular punches and kicks but not to a ridiculous degree baring kienzan which is something special and kikoho which also uses life energy. Roshi could literally do the same destruction he does with MP kamehameha with a MP punch or close to it but it's much easier to hit anything with a Kamehameha.
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Not "more effective", more powerful.
Wanna know why? Because they concentrate "all" of their Ki into a singular point. This is day one Kamehameha lore, c'mon, keep up.
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Thank you for saying it so that I didn't have to.
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The instances where this has a massive ramification on its power, though, are cases where it (and other such energy attacks) are charged for an incredibly long time, such as the Special Beam Cannon against Raditz and Vegeta's Final Flash against Cell
Otherwise, the disparity in power is not exactly super noteworthy, especially not such that it should be considered a different tier of power on profiles
Otherwise, the disparity in power is not exactly super noteworthy, especially not such that it should be considered a different tier of power on profiles
Nullflowerblush
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Goku increased his Power Level by over twofold in the span of a single panel.
Serlock_Holmes
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Said that some messages before. Still doesn't change much and no clue what's the point of bringing it up. A punch would be even better normally but it would be idiotic. Still doesn't change that the fuel is ki of which as stated by Korin goku has more than 21st Roshi and is comparable to 22st Roshi due to him training.
Serlock_Holmes
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Which did jackshit. Also as I said before it's not like his total power increased or anything but rather he uped the expenditure. Kaioken ups the power and let's someone use something beyond what they possibly can and that's why it's a big deal. Attacks just use ki like Roshi's kamehameha and Tien's Kikoho.
Nullflowerblush
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What are you even trying to argue? That his MAX Power Kamehameha scales to his normal stats?
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You think these characters are just throwing away all of their Ki in speical moves... without gaining a power increase?
Yeah, that would be insane because we don't even accept that on the profile currently. Roshi's normal stats in the 21st Budokai are Building level.
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Context?
Also you and I both know we don't really use power level scaling in that way, otherwise a power level of 1 would still be well into Tier 6
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That supports Null's point even more.
The Power Level increase may only be doubled, but the AP would be exponentially higher than a non-Kamehameha attack.
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You're acting as though MAX Power Roshi is still 8-C and only his Kamehameha is 5-C, which is not what we accept
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It doesn't. It means, in the words of TFS Vegeta, "power levels are bullshit!"
Serlock_Holmes
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Them throwing all their ki is the power increase...
Because he can't really use them without resorting to his buff Form. Goku and Tien have no such problems and are higher than the highest point of that Roshi as he is able to keep up After training and thus they should scale.
Serlock_Holmes
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Probably referring to the raditz fight. Still now idea what difference it makes. Ki attacks just expend more ki to have more power. That ki can also cloak hands like Goku not being cut by Trunks or Nappa cutting Tien's hand.
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Also this is fundamentally going against how we treat Ki anyway so yeah...
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Those who have mastered the technique can control its force. It doesn't get more powerful by default.
Serlock_Holmes
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Basically that. They are only good for a general feel between similar levels such as Frieza and Goku. Fact that Goku had like 30 mil more but didn't fodderize Frieza means PL are weird and only good for a general idea of were some characters stand in comparison to others.
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It's not like we have a rule for that. People can go against established precedent.
Serlock_Holmes
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Yeah which is why raditz while still able to throw ki blasts couldn't really raise their power as he wished just generally use stronger or weaker ones.
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Only if there's legitimate reason to
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Wasnt it only like a 20% difference?
Serlock_Holmes
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It was claimed that they were exponential due to Farmer with Shotgun. But they don't behave either as exponential or as linear thus making comparisons beyond very basic stuff useless. So you can use stuff like Tien and Goku had higher power than Roshi and thus surpass him but you don't know by how much and also it would be wrong to say that any of the three scale to 1/10 raditz.
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But as I recall, the KK and Ssj PLs were pretty linear in the freiza fight
Nullflowerblush
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I wish I could read that.
Serlock_Holmes
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What do you mean by linear?
Serlock_Holmes
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Really don't care anymore. I have argued for a whole day in the thread. If any db fan doesn't want that they should go debate it. I'm tired of this and won't reply for probably the rest of the day. If a decision still hasn't been reached I will maybe try but I don't have anything more to say.
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Where did this came from?
"Additionally, as of Battle of Gods, he has finally gotten past Super Saiyan 3's energy problem"
"Additionally, as of Battle of Gods, he has finally gotten past Super Saiyan 3's energy problem"
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