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Just like you and everyone else hereSounds like something a VSBW user would say
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
- Thread starter Warren_Valion
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I'd say I'm a denizen. Or even better, a wanderer on VBW. But no user.Just like you and everyone else here
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I have no idea why I'm here. Just to socialize I think.
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Don’t matter, unquantifiable 5-D is standard assumption for all 2-C feats and above, you would’ve gotten more of the neutral space by proposing it as an extra spacetime so characters would be higher into 2-C.
The only way DB is getting tier 1 is by proving timelines should be that tier.
The only way DB is getting tier 1 is by proving timelines should be that tier.
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I think if he started by saying neutral space is another 4D spacetime it would more than likely result in a downgrade knowing the wiki
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So talking with strym here's some of his ideas I wanted to share.
Moro?=?Kid Buu>Majin Buu Grand Supreme Kai
Kid Buu utterly beat Grand Supreme Kai (even though he was weakened when he was beaten by Kid Buu I'll explain why 2-C still scales to Kid Buu)
Majin Buu needed to unlock his "latent potential" (The power of the WEAKENED Grand Supreme Kai) to fight Moro. It boosted his power from 3-D to 4-D. Weakened Grand Supreme Kai would still have to scale to 2-C because of this thus scaling Kid Buu who stomped him. DBZ Good Buu doesn't scale as absorption made Kid Buu weaker.
I don't have much thoughts on this and seems iffy to me but it's interesting.
Moro?=?Kid Buu>Majin Buu Grand Supreme Kai
Kid Buu utterly beat Grand Supreme Kai (even though he was weakened when he was beaten by Kid Buu I'll explain why 2-C still scales to Kid Buu)
Majin Buu needed to unlock his "latent potential" (The power of the WEAKENED Grand Supreme Kai) to fight Moro. It boosted his power from 3-D to 4-D. Weakened Grand Supreme Kai would still have to scale to 2-C because of this thus scaling Kid Buu who stomped him. DBZ Good Buu doesn't scale as absorption made Kid Buu weaker.
I don't have much thoughts on this and seems iffy to me but it's interesting.
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Can’t do that without creating recursive scaling, SS1 Vegito> Super Buu> Kid Buu > SSG > SS3 Vegito
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Nothing contradicts that in the manga. Just reinvents certain scaling.
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Pretty sure Goku saying the level of SSG is greater than anything prior to that point makes it so Buu saga characters are unequivocally inferior to that level of power.
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But the thing is it HAS to scale to Kid Buu. Dragon Ball Super just loves to **** up scaling.
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It literally doesn’t. Grand Supreme Kai only fought Kid Buu after he was weakened from sealing Moro away, so Kid Buu has no scaling to Moro
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This was addressed.
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I don’t consider it sufficiently addressed
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Getting 4-D levels of power while originally being 3-D from being boosted by a weakened grand supreme kai makes it scale.
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No. Especially since, as mentioned before, it objectively creates circular scaling. This simply will not work
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Not my fault Super ****** up scaling
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Or maybe your scaling just doesn’t work. If it creates circular scaling, it can’t be usedNot my fault Super ****** up scaling
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What are you talking about, I already know the neutral space is unquantifiable 5-D, but the overarching temporal dimension of the neutral space now makes the entire neutral dimension quantifiable, and I even brought up the main overarching timeline in the OP, i even brought this up in the previous crt, so what is the matter? Like do you even see the arguments im going up against in the crt? "Time flows backward" and then reiner is using arguments from 2021 that don't even matter to the argument.
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What the ****
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Why would the neutral zone not have its own separate time axis, it doesn't share the timeline, it has its own temporal dimension that is overarched by the timeline. It's in the translations, the neutral space is its own dimensional construct. So obviously it would be independent of the main timeline and be its own separate thing.
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if you disagreed with it, why did you not say so in the previous 6 pages thread before i closed it, y'know, the thread where i mentioned it a dozen times.
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you made up shit at this point, i never said anything about 2 higher overarching timelines, and i don't have time to follow the thread every second
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When did I say you said that? I said that in the previous thread
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Sounds like something a VSBW user would say
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By bringing 6-D into the equate, I'm just gonna say that you kinda threw away your chances of your thread getting accepted.
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How so, i even addressed in the OP that even without the neutral zones argument, the overarching timeline would still grant low 1-C.
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Buu Saga SSJ3 Goku ~ Kid Buu > Good Buu/Grand Supreme Kai >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BoG God Goku?
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Yeah the arguments are pretty trash I would recommend Viet should hop in and say their piece to lighten the load
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yes, prince of pein is now trying to argue the universe aren't separate???? See this what im talking about, somebody help me out please, theres no way the staff would agree with them right??
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yo you tryna ask for permission to comment? I know you see those arguments
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2 already did
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Nah Good Buu would be marginally weaker. Kid Buu still >>>>>>>>> SSJ3 Goku (the fight wasn't serious and kid buu was literally toying with Goku and only genkidama would be 2-C) and manga kid buu is superior to all incarnations of buu according to Toriyama when he said smaller forms are stronger than previous listing Frieza and Buu as an example.
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Goku legit stated he could've beaten Kid Buu with SSJ3 if he'd finished the fight quickly so the two are relative.
You need to jump through several nonsensical hoops to even remotely rationalize this scaling, which to me says a lot about its validity
You need to jump through several nonsensical hoops to even remotely rationalize this scaling, which to me says a lot about its validity
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goku said that he would be able to finish off buu if he concentrated enough power with ssj3
that is not what toryama said, that was the interviewer's words, were he also lists kid goku as an example, toryama never said that "smaller forms = stronger always"
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Except Kid Buus power was actually quite unknown to the cast and was unfathomably stronger to themselves.
Here Toriyama literally confirms what the interviewer says how he wants to make the smaller ones seem more stronger despite that being "contradictory".
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Your scans literally don't prove anything...
First scan just vaguely calls Buu's power "unfathomable" (this is not proof)
Second scan is Vegeta saying Buu's power is beyond what he'd imagined, and at the very end of the page, he proceeds to say that Goku's power is also beyond what he'd imagined (this just supports my point)
Third scan is just a general design philosophy of Toriyama making characters' final transformations appear small (this is not proof)
First scan just vaguely calls Buu's power "unfathomable" (this is not proof)
Second scan is Vegeta saying Buu's power is beyond what he'd imagined, and at the very end of the page, he proceeds to say that Goku's power is also beyond what he'd imagined (this just supports my point)
Third scan is just a general design philosophy of Toriyama making characters' final transformations appear small (this is not proof)
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