He also correlates the appearing smaller to getting "littler and stronger" instead of "bigger and stronger"by saying he literally switched that approach around.
These 2 can serve as complementary proof. Gokus power is unfathomable to vegeta while Buus power is unfathomable to Goku. Goku is just far above Vegeta in this instance.
He says he switches between each approach, which just makes this incredibly vague. And going by feats, Super Buu is far superior.
Buu's power is not unfathomable to Goku, it's unfathomable to Vegeta. Vegeta, in fact, compares Goku and Buu by basically saying both of their powers are beyond his imagination.
and he also said that he kept switches between both of those, also one of the example given was young goku, which i don't need to explain why he wasn't the strongest character do i?
Here Toriyama literally confirms what the interviewer says how he wants to make the smaller ones seem more stronger despite that being "contradictory".
Goku doesn't fit into the description Toriyama gave but Frieza and Kid Buu does. Goku infact gets bigger and stronger so contextually it's referring to Frieza and Kid Buu.
One where toriyama says it's unfathomable comes from here. https://www.kanzenshuu.com/press-ar...03-interview-dragon-power-ask-akira-toriyama/
Kid Goku is mentioned in the interview. Thus, he is part of the discussion. You can't simply remove counterevidence just because you don't like it
Ok then how about this. Kid Goku is portrayed as strong but since he is a kid he is also small leading to a contradictory view. Kid Buu and Frieza however fit way more into line what the author is thinking about this (becoming smaller and stronger instead of bigger and stronger) and is implying Kid Buu is also strongest incarnation of him because of this. Still fits right? Still makes sense right?
"that the strong ones get stronger and bigger" Toriyama says he wants to flip this notion so now it becomes "that the strong ones gets smaller and stronger" literally makes perfect sense with exactly what was said.
Except he goes on to say that he flip flops between going against the "bigger = stronger" cliche and going with it
No. When Super Buu became Buff Buu, Goku and Vegeta saw his power level growing; when Buff Buu became Kid Buu, no one observed his power level dropping in any manner; his ki or strength were never discussed negatively. Once he transformed into Kid Buu he appears less physically frightening when he is tiny, and they begin to claim they can beat him. This means, at least that Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu or at the very least equal.
Considering how the thread's going, I think I was right.
Not at all. Goku was confident that facing Super Buu without the Potara earrings was going to result in the two being killed, and Buu viewed Super Saiyan Goku as insignificant, as "like being bitten by a flea". Not only that, but knowing that their Potara were destroyed, Buu himself was certain that Goku and Vegeta were easily manageable, fearing only Vegito, which Goku and Vegeta confirm. Hell, Buutenks reverting to Buucollo, with Piccolo being impossibly inferior to even Goku in his base form, was not enough for Goku to consider battling Buu himself.
...the fact that Goku and Vegeta even humored the idea of battling Kid Buu means that his Ki dropped after explicitly rising from a point that Goku considered impossible to confront, let alone defeat. Kibito Kai even confirmed that, upon Good Buu being removed, Super Buu was reverting into his original form, cycling through his multiple different previous phases, including Buff Buu, which is the direct result of Buu absorbing the South Supreme Kai. With Good Buu removed from his body, the South Supreme Kai, the source behind Buff Buu's strength, is removed, too, which means Kid Buu is not as strong as Buff Buu.
This doesn't disprove the idea that Super Buu=<Kid buu or both being equal. When the same Super Buu that you are describing his feats transforms, Vegeta notes that his chi rises and never says it got lower. This means, Kid buu cannot be weaker than Super Buu based on that and would atleast scale from him.
I know we are in the 'omg all you db supporters do is cry' phase right now but that thread fishy as hell. 6D stuff is wild but the arguments against the crt have been mediocre at best
You really shouldn't have brought that 6D stuff tbh. Should have kept it at 5D first. You know how difficult it is for db updates
Very much, the major arguments are complete denial of 2c universes which has been accepted for months, or complete denial of the neutral zone having its own time axis and overarching the universes which was agreed on in the first thread
Goku was scared of facing super Buu, he knew they'd be killed if Thur faced him without the potara
There is no statement nor any evidence to support the claim that Super Buu after transforming and buffing up while rising is chi, gets lower after becoming kid buu. If it were the case, they would have stated that his ki dropped , not that it increased has it doesnt make anysense as it should have dropped the moment Super Buu lost Fat Buu going with your argument. Even if the good buu or south supreme kai (and if that was also true for good buu than for sure, when he lost him, Kid Buu would have been fodder, and wouldn't require Ssj3 building up power to kill kid buu has the two saiyans would have know that he got "weaker"yet they never once comment upon him getting weaker from that . He wouldn't be able to deal with a genki dama comprised of genki from people such has ultimate gohan) were removed he was never stated to be weaker than when his chi was rising from buff buu to kid buu. In fact, Super Buu himself states, he won't be himself if they take out good buu from him, he himself never stated he would be any weaker. And, if kid buu was somehow weaker, it doesn't make sense has to why , Kibito kai would be sweating having a look of fear on his face for what it is to come, after kid buu's presence if somehow he his weaker than Super Buu. As even if he his the most troublesome, it wouldn't matter if he his significantly weaker and can therefor be delt easily.
This is already going in circles I already have the evidences to this in my above replies. Super buu when buffing up, had his ki risen and was never stated to be reduced when becoming kid buu. Meaning, kid buu cannot be weaker than Super Buu. The only reason, the two saiyans weren't scared of kid buu was because of his not impressive physique. They both later admit, they were wrong and that kid buu his much stronger than they thought, goku admits the potara's could have done it too. Meaning, if you think ssj3 goku even at fp couldn't beat super buu, than he would not be able to beat kid buu ether that way.
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If his Ki is explicitly stated to have "changed", and is never implied to have lowered, then his Ki increased, no?
Kibito is a Core Person, but he is NOT a god of ANY sort. Furthermore, the "pure energy" Babidi required to break Buu's shell and resurrect the Majin is scarcely elaborated upon, being harvested not only directly from the body (e.g., Gohan) but through damage, too.
Except, when reverting into Buff Buu, the form he took after absorbing the South Supreme Kai, his Ki is explicitly stated to have risen. Thanks, Daizenshuu 7, by the way.
Technically speaking, Goku never faced Super Buu.
Firstly, anime.
He's not ******* Super Buu.
See, the low 1-C 5D is also being rejected
Nah, she said that there is anti feats for 2-C, but i think we have enough statements for it to stay
the thing is, @TiltedFN argue that Neutral Space has it own time axis then the overarching timeline which encompass them which is the another time axis thus 6D, which is..................by all mean, a complete made up shit that i also disagree if i have permission to talk on that thread
It will create a war where there are no capabilities to win in any way
