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people like to use TOP to debunk any infinite or immeasurable speed featsThe main thing to consider is Goku's "Immeasurable" feat consistent with other showing of Goku's speed in the series?
I think in the TOP, Grand Priest never mentions like (UIO beating Kefla took about a few minutes) instead Grand Priest just informs entrants that time has passed / time remaining from Tournament. Even when he says that or the narrator says that in the frame the characters are not fighting continuously but they are also resting and some are even having fun/spending timepeople like to use TOP to debunk any infinite or immeasurable speed feats
I mean you'll have count (gifs and recordings, also double check translations, I also bet someone will even try to use the manga as counter argument even though it's completely different lol) and check every episode from beginning to the end of the tournament power to make any counter argument regarding that undeniable. (But I guess it would be worth it if we can kill of that counter argument)I think in the TOP, Grand Priest never mentions like (UIO beating Kefla took about a few minutes) instead Grand Priest just informs entrants that time has passed / time remaining from Tournament. Even when he says that or the narrator says that in the frame the characters are not fighting continuously but they are also resting and some are even having fun/spending timelike Goku. We're never even shown or told how UIO beat Kefla in a fraction of a minute.
This my friend literally watched through a shit ton of episodes and there’s never a time that there’s a time period given for a fight and each episode also always has some moment to rest. This isn’t even accounting for some episodes where we genuinely don’t get told how much time passed during that episode when it’s a continuation of a fight like for the jiren and goku battle that i rewatched to see.I think in the TOP, Grand Priest never mentions like (UIO beating Kefla took about a few minutes) instead Grand Priest just informs entrants that time has passed / time remaining from Tournament. Even when he says that or the narrator says that in the frame the characters are not fighting continuously but they are also resting and some are even having fun/spending timelike Goku. We're never even shown or told how UIO beat Kefla in a fraction of a minute.
And then ironically, the series made by power scalers end up being the least engaging stories, at least to meTbf, the inconsistent is normal, author never define speed like us, they could well make some instance of infinite, immeasurable speed then contradict it later, because those thing are just the term made by us power scalers. Want consistency???, read verse that made by peoples who are aware of power scaling
Wdym?Well how does it work in a verse like Sonic where his speed is relative to everyone else around him in some cases
not without special devicesI mean Super Sonic can move at immeasurable speeds but everyone can see and calc his movements
I don't think its that, the TOP required to have a time limit to increase the tension of the tournament, I don't think that is a good argument.I think the time argument in the TOP make sense, if the author truly depicted these characters at this speed, the TOP would have quite literally been over in an instance.
Or people like Hit would be capable of utilizing the TS without the time skip. It’s all weird.
i don't see why that matters?I don't think its that, the TOP required to have a time limit to increase the tension of the tournament, I don't think that is a good argument.
Huh?I don't think its that, the TOP required to have a time limit to increase the tension of the tournament, I don't think that is a good argument.
talking about from a writing standpoint, to increase tension, there was a time limit, just how your argument was the author didn't depict them as that fast.Huh?
i really don't understand why that matters for the argumenttalking about from a writing standpoint, to increase tension, there was a time limit, just how your argument was the author didn't depict them as that fast.
This could fix everything, easily could be P.I.S, and then we could give immeasurable to u6 arc high tiers and beyond.I'd personally handwave the ToP's time limit thing as a whole case of Plot-Induced Stupidity tbh. Regardless of if the speed is MFTL+ or Immeasurable, it wouldn't fit into that 48-minute time limit.
From what I heard for Immeasurable, such things do matter, but for MFTL+ and below it doesn't.I'd personally handwave the ToP's time limit thing as a whole case of Plot-Induced Stupidity tbh. Regardless of if the speed is MFTL+ or Immeasurable, it wouldn't fit into that 48-minute time limit.
facts, like we had an immeasurable speed feat legit, but toriyama doesn't know what that is.It's super funny for us to draw arbitray lines on what and what can't be excused by PIS because 'muh wank' when I don't think the writers even know what infinite or immeasurable speed is to begin with.
I just imagine one of us explaining this to one of the writers and they just staring at us like 👁 👁
He doesn't even treat it as such, dodging Hit attack in base form (Goku), but then Hit improved its time and suddenly even blue isn't enough to dodge, even though whether dodging the unimproved or improved version should be the samefacts, like we had an immeasurable speed feat legit, but toriyama doesn't know what that is.
And then hit just stopped using time skip against goku completely, implying he was fully adapted no matter how far hit pushed it. And goku's immeasurable speed feat is pretty blatant if you ask me, literally catching up with hit going into the future shows goku can do that if he needs too.He doesn't even treat it as such, dodging Hit attack in base form (Goku), but then Hit improved its time and suddenly even blue isn't enough to dodge, even though whether dodging the unimproved or improved version should be the same
Right, toriyama literally gives toei a general idea, and the toei executes it with their own ideas. It was probably toriyama's idea to add the time limit.See what I mean? Not only are we acting like Toriyama knows what immeasurable is, we acting like that mfer wrote the damn thing in the first place. Bro's napkin note for the U6 arc was probably 'uhh they beat hits time skip' and then nothing else
I asked Toriyama if goku is immeasurable or not and he shouted something Japanese at me which I think was how did you get in here and get out of my house
He didn't dodge any, Hit attacks always connected, just avoid the vital parts because no killing rule. And Goku predict Hit attacks to react before hand, both Goku and Hit said that multiple times, later when Hit lengthened his timeskip duration Goku can't predict to counter anymore and Goku resort to KaiokenHe doesn't even treat it as such, dodging Hit attack in base form (Goku), but then Hit improved its time and suddenly even blue isn't enough to dodge, even though whether dodging the unimproved or improved version should be the same
exactly, that is when goku traveled into the future to catch hitHe didn't dodge any, Hit attacks always connected, just avoid the vital parts because no killing rule. And Goku predict Hit attacks to react before hand, both Goku and Hit said that multiple times, later when Hit lengthened his timeskip duration Goku can't predict to counter anymore and Goku resort to Kaioken