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I'm almost done with the verse. https://vsbattles.com/threads/lifting-strength-page-revision.155039/
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
- Thread starter Warren_Valion
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My God, all because of DB ;-;
Braking
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Im gonna ******* blow dawg
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DBS super anime high end scale
Multipliers
SS1: 50x
SS2/ 3:10xSS1
SSG: 500x SS3
SSB: 50x SSG
UI: 250,000x SSB
MUI: 50x UI
RoF Goku = 100
Goku Black = 50,000
SSRose Black = 6.25e11
SSB Vegito = 7.8125e18
SSG Goku ( ToP) = 6.25e11
SSB Goku = 3.125e13
UI1Goku = > 7.8125e18
SS2 ( kale caulifla fight 3.125e13)
SSG = 1.5625e16
SSB = 7.8125e17
SSBKK20 = 1.5625e19
UI2 : 1.953125e23
Post UI2 SSB: 7.8125e18
UI3 = 1.953125e24
MUI / SSB Gogeta = 9.765e25
Wrathful Broly= 7.8125e18
Base Broly / DBS Hero
Goku = 7.8125e17
Multipliers
SS1: 50x
SS2/ 3:10xSS1
SSG: 500x SS3
SSB: 50x SSG
UI: 250,000x SSB
MUI: 50x UI
RoF Goku = 100
Goku Black = 50,000
SSRose Black = 6.25e11
SSB Vegito = 7.8125e18
SSG Goku ( ToP) = 6.25e11
SSB Goku = 3.125e13
UI1Goku = > 7.8125e18
SS2 ( kale caulifla fight 3.125e13)
SSG = 1.5625e16
SSB = 7.8125e17
SSBKK20 = 1.5625e19
UI2 : 1.953125e23
Post UI2 SSB: 7.8125e18
UI3 = 1.953125e24
MUI / SSB Gogeta = 9.765e25
Wrathful Broly= 7.8125e18
Base Broly / DBS Hero
Goku = 7.8125e17
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New Revised DBS / Toei speeds
Based on accepted new afterlife Size
vsbattles.fandom.com
radius is 9.668e32 meters, but since we’re talking afterlife as a whole being crossed double it for full diameter
Goku and Pikkon Cross the afterlife is assumed to have taken 10 minutes or 600 seconds, therefore 3.2226666666666667e30 m/s or 10.74 sextillion times FTL
Goku vs Bills fight would have engulfed the entire universe in short order, assumed 30 seconds,therefore 6.445e31m/s or 214.99 sextillion times FTL
Both feats scale to Base Cell saga Goku and Base post BoG Goku respectively.
Based on accepted new afterlife Size
Dragonball (Toeiverse) Afterlife size calc
vsbattles.fandom.com
radius is 9.668e32 meters, but since we’re talking afterlife as a whole being crossed double it for full diameter
Goku and Pikkon Cross the afterlife is assumed to have taken 10 minutes or 600 seconds, therefore 3.2226666666666667e30 m/s or 10.74 sextillion times FTL
Goku vs Bills fight would have engulfed the entire universe in short order, assumed 30 seconds,therefore 6.445e31m/s or 214.99 sextillion times FTL
Both feats scale to Base Cell saga Goku and Base post BoG Goku respectively.
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Can we get much higherNew Revised DBS / Toei speeds
Based on accepted new afterlife Size
Dragonball (Toeiverse) Afterlife size calc
radius is 9.668e32 meters, but since we’re talking afterlife as a whole being crossed double it for full diameter
Goku and Pikkon Cross the afterlife is assumed to have taken 10 minutes or 600 seconds, therefore 3.2226666666666667e30 m/s or 10.74 sextillion times FTL
Goku vs Bills fight would have engulfed the entire universe in short order, assumed 30 seconds,therefore 6.445e31m/s or 214.99 sextillion times FTL
Both feats scale to Base Cell saga Goku and Base post BoG Goku respectively.
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Scaling makes them around duodecillions around the time UI and SS4 first show up
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Where did you get these multipliers data? IIRC Dragon Ball official has not revealed SSG's multiplier yet, including higher transformation such as SSGSS and UI.
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Scaling it from the 500x multiplier of super saiyan grade whatever as the minimum.
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I believe it's all like:
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Super Saiyan 1 - 50x
Self-explanatory.
Super Saiyan 2 and 3 - 10 x SS1
Recent revision where that one non-English guidebook was finally accepted that states Grade 3 (or was it Grade 2?) Super Saiyan is 10x SS1, which would then scale SS2 and SS3 to or above that.
Super Saiyan God - 500x SS3
I'm not 100% certain on this but I believe it's based off Base fusions being superior to the fusee's strongest forms and the idea that Super Saiyan God > Vegito. So Base Vegito would scale above SS3 Goku (Over 500x Base form) and SSG scales above Vegito. So:
SSG ~ SS3 Vegito (500x SS3 Goku) > Base Vegito >/= SS3 Goku > SS2 ~ 10x SS1 (500x) > SS1 (50x)
Logically, SSG Goku must be 500x SS3 Goku to be relative to SS3 Vegito who is 500x SS3 Goku.
Super Saiyan Blue - 50x SSGAlso self-explanatory. Goku explains SSB as just SSG going Super Saiyan, ergo 50x SSG like SS1 for Base.
Ultra Instinct - 12,500,000x SSB
This one is a bit harder to explain but I believe this logic is based off some arithmetic from the other multipliers. Breakdown:
SS3 (500x Base) * SSG (500x SS3) * SSB (50x SSG) = 12,500,000x (So the leap from Base to SSB is 12.5 million times total)
From there I presume you look at Base Gogeta scaling to (or above) SSB Goku in the Broly Movie and then him going SSB then consider the logic that SSB Fusions = Ultra Instinct to then conclude Ultra Instinct must be an SSB-level boost over SSB for UI Goku to match SSB Fusions. So:
UI Goku = SSB Gogeta> SSB Goku = Base Gogeta (Therefore UI must be equivalent to SSB * SSB in multiplier for them to be equal or relative)
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As for UI -Sign- I have no idea how they reached the conclusion that it's 1/50th of UI.
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I'm starting to get happy, Omega took the DB map so we don't have similar speed, but now he's going to cry about it lolNew Revised DBS / Toei speeds
Based on accepted new afterlife Size
Dragonball (Toeiverse) Afterlife size calc
radius is 9.668e32 meters, but since we’re talking afterlife as a whole being crossed double it for full diameter
Goku and Pikkon Cross the afterlife is assumed to have taken 10 minutes or 600 seconds, therefore 3.2226666666666667e30 m/s or 10.74 sextillion times FTL
Goku vs Bills fight would have engulfed the entire universe in short order, assumed 30 seconds,therefore 6.445e31m/s or 214.99 sextillion times FTL
Both feats scale to Base Cell saga Goku and Base post BoG Goku respectively.
SirAlex09
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No way Damage and co will accept thisNew Revised DBS / Toei speeds
Based on accepted new afterlife Size
Dragonball (Toeiverse) Afterlife size calc
radius is 9.668e32 meters, but since we’re talking afterlife as a whole being crossed double it for full diameter
Goku and Pikkon Cross the afterlife is assumed to have taken 10 minutes or 600 seconds, therefore 3.2226666666666667e30 m/s or 10.74 sextillion times FTL
Goku vs Bills fight would have engulfed the entire universe in short order, assumed 30 seconds,therefore 6.445e31m/s or 214.99 sextillion times FTL
Both feats scale to Base Cell saga Goku and Base post BoG Goku respectively.
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The calculation has already been accepted, now all that remains is to apply the changes in speed.
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The method for the dbs calculation will need to change, since it uses the macrocosm map to scale the distance between the realms and what not, i am currently trying to recalc it with everything into acount, probably will still be in the sextilions thoNew Revised DBS / Toei speeds
Based on accepted new afterlife Size
Dragonball (Toeiverse) Afterlife size calc
radius is 9.668e32 meters, but since we’re talking afterlife as a whole being crossed double it for full diameter
Goku and Pikkon Cross the afterlife is assumed to have taken 10 minutes or 600 seconds, therefore 3.2226666666666667e30 m/s or 10.74 sextillion times FTL
Goku vs Bills fight would have engulfed the entire universe in short order, assumed 30 seconds,therefore 6.445e31m/s or 214.99 sextillion times FTL
Both feats scale to Base Cell saga Goku and Base post BoG Goku respectively.
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Not how it works, someone need to make a recalc blog, and have it accepted, i am in the process of doing it
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I think you don't need to do it, leave it to the people who will do it, they understand a lot about the subject.
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too late, i am already doing it
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Are you good at math?
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tbh this is a really simple calculation, the guy who made the afterlife size calc is also not a calc person, things more times than not are more simple than what you would believe they are
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I have accounted for this,
UI sign outscales SSB Vegito from Black arc, Goku himself having grown at least 50x stronger from that time means UIS would only need to be 250,000x stronger than Blue to match Vegito. from back then.
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DBS Battle of Gods speed recalc
vsbattles.fandom.com
done the calc
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But the DB universe is not base size, but 3 or if not 10 times the baseline of a normal UniverseDBS Battle of Gods speed recalc
done the calc
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No it isn't, the only reason it was calced as being that big was because of calculations with the macrocosm map, said map that was agreed to not be usable for calculations as i noted in the blog
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Afterlife is a chunky place lol
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There is no calc for DB living world yet, and it’s really not that big an amp, even SS1 is already 50x faster than those values.
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Yeah, you really don't read things right and that complicates things a lot bro
here It is here, DDM cites that the size of the Universe is not going to be the baseline, that is not what was agreed in the OP of your nonsensical thread.
You yourself even agreed that the size of the Universe will not be baseline size, now you want to deny the obvious?
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Even so, the DB Universe is not baseline size, that was not what was to be accepted in the OP, but rather that the living Universe would have to be at least 3×, 5x, or if not 10× the baseline, and still was spoken by administrator.
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Later I continue with this, I will go to work, see you later. I strongly disagree with the living Universe being baseline.
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Says the one who said "10x" withou showing evidence
First off, that was his disagreement on that vs all the other admins and thread mods agreements
he was outvoted in that thread
second off, watch your tone dude, If you can't be civil and start being comfrontentional all the time you disagree with something it will make you look like a child
It is bigger than baseline yes, we currently have no information to say by how much, if we have no information to say by how much i will use baseline as we have no other value to use
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Omega being Omega
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And 1 other admin agreed on baseline, while other thread mod also agreed with baseline, DDM was outvoted in that thread, why do you always treat his world as the moat important above all other staff? That is not how it works due
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Luffy being luffy and refusing to argue like a normal person because he cannot phantom the possibility of someone disagreeing with him
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Omega the legendary GT villain
Fezzih_007
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That's actually funny.
Nullflowerblush
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Obviously, you just hate Dragon Ball.
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All of you are Dragon Ball haters. It's me vs the world.
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