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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

the manga clearly implies that Zeno destroyed that world completely but the same problem there that goku went there and fly, which made up the theory that the universes in dragon ball are 3D universes or sth like this and that will make all characters 3-B/3-A except for Zeno will be low 2C because Whis said he can destroy everything in the existence
 
Why shouldn’t he? That doesn’t affect his speed. Either way that whole scene is dumb because Goku shouldn’t even be able to breathe out there.
 
Zamasu_Chan said:
Why shouldn’t he? That doesn’t affect his speed. Either way that whole scene is dumb because Goku shouldn’t even be able to breathe out there.
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a friend of mine who supports this theory once told me that u need to be 4D being and have an infinite speed to move in a 4D void but I dont know why since it seems related to some physics shit xD, I asked AKM about it and he told me that its a either PIS or DB doesn't treat the void the way we do iirc
 
I think trying to extrapolate the cosmology from Goku time-traveling into and flying around in a Void that Zeno created instead of it being a plot hole is kinda completely absurd, especially when it contradicts what is told to us by the narrative. Please stop trying to make it something more than it is.

It would be like trying to give Goku Self-Sustenance because he was seen in space a few times with a suit or whatever despite the fact that it has been stated that he can't do that - it's really just bad writing.

Shocker for DBS, I know, but it's true.


At least, those are my thoughts.
 
Okay I know this is off topic but has anyone here played Super Dragon Ball Heroes World Mission? I mainly ask because whoever was in charge of the game's balance in difficulty needs to be publicly humiliated.
World Mission has to be one of the most inconsistent DBZ games in terms of difficulty, ranging from being one of the easiet games to a nigh impossible monstrosity. Like there will be times in game where I can beat a boss first try without much issue and then there will be another one who's unbelievably cheap in terms of either how much damage they do or how they affect your abilities that you're practically forced into using cheap tactics just for a fleeing chance of victory. IDK how but it's simultaneously a decent fun game and a unplayable piece of garbage
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
Okay I know this is off topic but has anyone here played Super Dragon Ball Heroes World Mission? I mainly ask because whoever was in charge of the game's balance in difficulty needs to be publicly humiliated.
World Mission has to be one of the most inconsistent DBZ games in terms of difficulty, ranging from being one of the easiet games to a nigh impossible monstrosity. Like there will be times in game where I can beat a boss first try without much issue and then there will be another one who's unbelievably cheap in terms of either how much damage they do or how they affect your abilities that you're practically forced into using cheap tactics just for a fleeing chance of victory. IDK how but it's simultaneously a decent fun game and a unplayable piece of garbage
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There are so many cards, you can make a hard counter deck for basicaly every individual encounter that allow you to 1 turn kill them, it's 100% a japanese speedrunner tier autism game, I kinda liked it but it got grating at time.

You just need to know the cards and the OP combo or find a good guide (or cheat to get all the cards from the start and just pick all the S tier on a good tier list.)
 
True, I'd be lying if I didn't say it IS immensely satisfying to get that one card you always wanted or getting the perfect deck so I'll give the game that much at least
 
YukaSama4 said:
the manga clearly implies that Zeno destroyed that world completely but the same problem there that goku went there and fly, which made up the theory that the universes in dragon ball are 3D universes or sth like this and that will make all characters 3-B/3-A except for Zeno will be low 2C because Whis said he can destroy everything in the existence
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The whole scene was a big dumb thing like Zamasu pointed out. Goku shouldn't even be able to breathe there. And the time machine travelling back to that place was just PIS.

People do mention that Trunks and Mai later went to live in a multiverse that was saved right before Zeno's destruction happened. But in DB, each time you travel in time, a new timeline is made and in that arc there was a lot of time traveling involved. So they could just have gone to a similar alternate timeline created by their many instances of time travels.
 
@Padaruyos I think the video makes sense to me. While manga Goku has the power advantage with SSG and SSB GT Goku has the skill advantage, his Ssj4 form drains less Ki which can help him outlast SSB and due to his higher base form he has a big advtange over most of manga Goku's forms.
But that's my take anyway, I'm sure other's have their own opinion on that topic
 
I think overall it's fairly inaccurate, but his series has its own power scaling to begin with that he explains, so it's kind of whatever.

Saiyan Beyond God isn't a thing in his animated series, so in general any character in GT >>>> any character in Super in base for the most part. It's more the transformation that's different in this specific case. SSJ4 is kind of a bad transformation in comparison to SSJB, but it's the base that's more important for the most part.

Hence why you have stuff in his videos like Goku Black SSJ4 vs Vegeta SSJG and later SSJGE. Black is literally trying to farm out his zenkais against alternate universes, so he uses the weaker transformation to fight Vegeta.
 
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The video was cool and everything, but I have several problems with it.
First, it claims to use Manga Goku, while it was a mixture of anime and manga.
The mine attack was an anime only attack and the same is for how the energy of destruction is depicted. Manga Goku's hakai works like what Beerus did to Zamasu, and in that case GT Goku would have been dead.

GT Goku also isn't the smartest person in the world, he has his amount of dumb moments in GT, and Super Goku is skilled too, or are we forgetting his fights with Beerus, Hit etc..? I also think that the author should have pushed more on GT Goku's reactive evolution, that would have been a cool application.

Escaping the Mafuuba with a solar flare is another thing I don't really like, but I can stretch and say it may happen.

Finally, they said like 3 times that the god/blue form is way stronger than SSJ4, but it doesn't seems to be true looking at how the battle went, we even see Goku using the Mastered SSJB (or how do you want to call it) but the power gap was still ininfluent, even after GT Goku totally blew up.
 
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The assumption made is, Goku with a few more years is more skilled, hence the skill gap. And despite claiming to use manga, as I said he technically has his own scaling for the series which runs counter to how the whole thing is scaled in canon.

Overall, I don't think he really put up the 'GT Goku won a battle he was basically losing for the most part because of better skill and not having to deal with the drawbacks of his transformation' as much as he probably intended, but that was more than likely the intent.

I got nothing for hakai, though. That should have worked, and there's nothing he should have been able to do about it.
 
AKM sama said:
The whole scene was a big dumb thing like Zamasu pointed out. Goku shouldn't even be able to breathe there. And the time machine travelling back to that place was just PIS.

People do mention that Trunks and Mai later went to live in a multiverse that was saved right before Zeno's destruction happened. But in DB, each time you travel in time, a new timeline is made and in that arc there was a lot of time traveling involved. So they could just have gone to a similar alternate timeline created by their many instances of time travels.
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Trunks and mai went to a different multiverse that whis created hence why there were extra copies of them in the new multiverse
 
A few more years should mean nothing without comparing what actually made them more experienced, and I'd say, between the two Super Goku is the one who fought the most skilled opponents.

The hakai went that way because it was depicted like Toppo uses destruction energy, i.e. firing it as ki blasts.

Also, even using its own scaling, in the video it's stated that the God form is superior to ssj4, then Goku goes blue and eventually even mastered blue, blowing up GT Goku with a mine under his feet, and he still was fine despite having been hit by an attack that was many times stronger than him.
 
And Goku's base in GT is much higher in this series, allowing them to be relatively even, with Super Goku being a little bit above.

Like I said, I don't agree with the scaling or the video, but that's about what they're throwing down here as far as I could tell.
 
Hyourinjutsu is amazing. I don't think we should necessarily look into the details of what happens in the animations though, as he likely isn't a vs debater, nor is he trying to prove a point with who wins or loses. But for what it's worth, he's not insanely inaccurate or something, and he understands that the Dragon Ball characters are very powerful (base Goku Black casually incinerates a continent just to piss off Future Gohan, Baby Vegeta glares at and obliterates the moon, etc.). My favorite one is Goku Black and Baby Vegeta Vs. Broly.
 
I mean, they're good for what they are. Hype, well-animated fights. I wasn't really trashing the man, he's entitled to make what he wants, and what he makes is pretty fun to watch.

I liked Black SSJ4 vs Vegeta SSJG/SSJGE a lot. It was a good fight, and seeing his Black decide "I'm going to milk every last bit of power growth out of this body" was really nice.

Though dialogue can be a bit weird sometimes, like in SSJ4 Goku vs SSJB Goku.
 
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