Vietthai96
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Each Macrocosm have it own Kaioshin Realm so it is not really anything
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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No, for Omega they said he would destroy the entire galaxies (if you saw GT then you should know how ginga was used to describe the cosmos of the universe like the Super manga), and Elder Kai even had to add it as an extra detail that it would reach the Kaioshin Realm even after it was mentioned the cosmos would be destroyed.
GT clearly shows how the Afterlife is a completely different place from the entire universe.
The Kaioshin Realm was never part of any universe or macrocosm in DBZ and was it’s own place from it.
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Citation needed
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It must be, if it’s more separated from the universe than the Afterlife which was already not considered part of the universe.
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can you rephrase? cause it sounds like you're saying it's only a galaxy feat, but in the same breath saying that it'll reach the kaioshin realm which doesn't make sense
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The Afterlife is seperated from the living world, not the macrocosm
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In this guide it is said that Majin Buu had the power to destroy the universe, in the manga it is also mentioned I don't know how many times, lol
Confrontation with Babidi's subordinates
To prevent Boo, a monster with the power to destroy the universe, from returning to life, Kalo Shin and Goku's group invade Babidi's quarters. However, Dabra, the commanding king of the demons, turned into Babid's subordinate, petrifies Kellin and Piccolo. For savers. and even knowing it's a trap, Ooku and the rest of the fighters enter the Babids' ship. where they will have to face all their minions After denoters with ease, they arrive before Babidi who claims that Dabra will defeat them all.
Confrontation with Babidi's subordinates
To prevent Boo, a monster with the power to destroy the universe, from returning to life, Kalo Shin and Goku's group invade Babidi's quarters. However, Dabra, the commanding king of the demons, turned into Babid's subordinate, petrifies Kellin and Piccolo. For savers. and even knowing it's a trap, Ooku and the rest of the fighters enter the Babids' ship. where they will have to face all their minions After denoters with ease, they arrive before Babidi who claims that Dabra will defeat them all.
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I never said it was a galaxy, just that this scene never indicated that the Kaioshin Realm is part of the universe.
The Living World literally is the entire universe and I even showed a quote from GT which you mentioned directly saying this, it isn’t part of any “universe” macrocosm and is it’s own universe or place.
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Baby’s statements are generic ,’I’ll kill you so hard you will die’, type of statement, I don’t think it’s meant to establish what universe is supposed to mean in a broader context.No, for Omega they said he would destroy the entire galaxies (if you saw GT then you should know how ginga was used to describe the cosmos of the universe like the Super manga), and Elder Kai even had to add it as an extra detail that it would reach the Kaioshin Realm even after it was mentioned the cosmos would be destroyed.
GT clearly shows how the Afterlife is a completely different place from the entire universe.
The Kaioshin Realm was never part of any universe or macrocosm in DBZ and was it’s own place from it.
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he name drops the other world.
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No, it clearly shows that Otherworld isn’t thought to be part of the universe.
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We agree that the Living World is the entire universe, but that universe is part of the DB macrocosm
The macrocosm includes the afterlife and the sacred world of the Kais. I hope we're all on the same page thus far
What I'm saying is, Buuhan's feat was going to result in the destruction of the macrocosm, as was Omega Shenron's, not simply the Living World
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So headcanon then
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No it doesn't, it's literally just a way of him saying that he's gonna kill Goku.
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If by macrocosm you mean the entire Dragon World pre-Super itself, then okay. Just these places are not part of any universe macrocosm in any way.
Correct, this is a description of being killed, which is being sent to Otherworld which is simultaneously equated to disappearing from the entire universe.
That point is not a headcanon, it’s common sense that if it’s on the same order of separation as the Afterlife which isn’t part of the universe, the same would go for it.
Although I only mentioned that part for evidence in the anime or manga. If you take the guidebooks, or even if not that, Toriyama himself’s own drawn map, it’s directly shown to not be part of the universe.
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As in ‘I’m going to kill you’, namedropping the ‘other world’ is generic a line as it gets. and there is no direct correlation between the two lines nor the clear intent to establish what universe is supposed to encompass in every instance characters mention it.
Kid Buu is deemed as threat to all of the universe and that is made with the knowledge of him being able to reach the Kaioshin realm in mind ( by whatever means) and in the anime he even travels to the afterlife ( where all dead people reside).
Universe is still context reliant as it gets but most often it has shown to refer to all of the DB macrocosm more often than not.
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I didn't say it is a part of the universe, but rather each Macrocosm have it own Kaioshin Realm, it is directly stated that the realm orbiting the macrocosm, make an entire system
So now either you prove that Kaioshin Realm is totally separate and not belong to the system or withdraw that claim. You need to know that Afterlife while separate from Living Universe, still a part of the Macrocosm, a system
The entire context is: I will send you to the other world, begone from the entire universe. So the entire universe here clearly mean the Living Universe
Buu's context is vague
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In that case this macrocosm or system wouldn’t be a “universe” one, so unless it meant something else, the Super anime indicating the Kaioshin Realm is in the universe isn’t consistent with DBZ. It can have its own Kaioshin Realm but this does not mean that place should be literally part of that universe.
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The realm not a "part" as in physical sense, but still a "part" of the system. And when DBS anime indicated it is inside the universe???
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The wording in that scene says it was in Universe 10, but as I said even this isn’t consistent, because usually even the cardinal universe terminology indicated to just describe the living world.
Although what you say could make it more logically consistent with that fact (that U7 seems to refer to the Living World).
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Bruhh, you misinterpreting the word "in" as it literal meaning of inside something physically, also the translation could be just a simplified version since we talking about Japanese show here, the word could well be translated into other English wordThe wording in that scene says it was in Universe 10, but as I said even this isn’t consistent, because usually even the cardinal universe terminology indicated to just describe the living world.
Although what you say could make it more logically consistent with that fact (that U7 seems to refer to the Living World).
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I completely agree that logically that's how it should be, but the phrase there is 第10宇宙に, which is literally "in" or "at" Universe 10. But as I mentioned even the numbered universes seem to most consistently refer to the Living World, so maybe this is just badly worded or something, but it's there.
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DB constantly use the nothern, southern galaxy, etc.. just for the sake of managing the universe so it is just another gimmick term of Dragon Ball, since sometime they use the universe to refering to the entire Macrocosm, sometime it just refering to the Living Universe
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It could work for the DBS anime to treat U7 like that, as more of a political term or something, as long as it’s understood that in Z and even in Super for the most part the Living World is it’s own entire universe, and Otherworld is simultaneously treated as a conventionally different universe, instead of an different area or dimension of a standard universe.
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guy said he didn't care at this point and was going to blow up the universe
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he outright said he didn't care for the universe anymore and was going to destroy every galaxy
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I debunked your interpretations if dende's statement. Read my request very carefully, show me proof that buuhan's is directly affecting and destroying the universe.
It's a chain reaction because the dimensions can only rush through and destroy the universe while buuhan is opening the portals. The only thing that buuhan is controlling here is the portals through space time manipulation.
Yup, so like I said, even the guide is aaying buuhan is only warping surrounding space.+ both Vegito and Dende immediately recognising it as a danger to the entire Universe and not just a danger to Earth like most other non-important to scaling attacks in the series, proves that the rate of the walls is absolutely not insignificant. A perfect comparison to this feat and the statements that are alongside it both in the anime and the guidebooks is the Super Perfect Cell solar system statement, which is why-
He is listed as 4-B.
I see that I've entered the stage where I've begun to repeat myself. Exactly what do I have to do/prove before the Buuhan Low-2C feat is able to be used when scaling other characters?
Not they didn't. They quite literally did not. Dende explicitly stated that is only affecting the surrounds which is explicity shown. The part with the universe being destroyed is a statement made by vegito which states that alternate dimensions will destroy the universe NOT Buuhan.
Your analogy is garbage. Cells statement is unequivocal, and the guides support it without a shadow of a doubt. This has nothing to do with my argument against buuhan's feat and you are oversimplifying it to hell.
If you want this to be accepted then make a content revision thread and post all your arguments there and try to get the majority agreement from staff members. I will gladly debunk you again in that post too.
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I think it was Anima Kid buu > Buuhan while in the Manga Buuhan > Kid buu
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Toei Buuhan's feat is already accepted as Low 2-C. It's just a matter of scaling.
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His power spikes up when he transforms into Huge Buu as that is when he had absorbed South Kiaoshin, but it goes back down when he reverts to Kid Buu - free of any absorptions influencing him.
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I suppose that makes sense
So it's like
Buff buu (has the power of the strongest kaioshin, with nothing to reduce his power) > super buu (has both fat buu and kid buu inside him) > kid buu (is the original buu without any additions) > fat buu (weakened due to great kaioshins kind heart)
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Evil Buu is still influenced by Fat Buu having the two Kaioshin inside him when he expelled his evil half. Kid Buu is without any Kaioshin influence.
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