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Manga 17’s power-up was fine, iirc he was only SSJ3 level
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But Cell jrs being alive is canon. So most likely they are alive in the anime aswell.Manga 17’s power-up was fine, iirc he was only SSJ3 level
Bruh...Krillin is a bitch
Headcanons900And also, 17's infinite energy can help him to train harder without tiring unlike Saiyans, so his training was defenitely more extreme than Goku and Vegeta's through those years.
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im just here laughing because Gotenks strongest key is unironically his fat key now.
His normal form is stated to be the strongest of the three (skinny, fat, normal)im just here laughing because Gotenks strongest key is unironically his fat key now.
His normal form is stated to be the strongest of the three (skinny, fat, normal)
I mean, I was trying to give a logical reason as of why 17 became so strong in the anime becouse I think it can be explained.Headcanons900
Was anything mentioned in regards to Broly/Beerus and how they compare power wise?
Honestly don't know, might have to check the spoilers.Was anything mentioned in regards to Broly/Beerus and how they compare power wise?
Welp, the normal form upscales either way, so we're goodToo bad it doesn’t appear tbh
I hate how they teased Normal Teen Gotenks at the end and didn't show us how he looked like lol.Too bad it doesn’t appear tbh
in your dreamsim just here laughing because Gotenks strongest key is unironically his fat key now.
When pan flew over, u could still see Trunkss head, so it wasn’t even a real dance.I hate how they teased Normal Teen Gotenks at the end and didn't show us how he looked like lol.
Are you sure? Wasn't there a blue and red glow afterwards?When pan flew over, u could still see Trunkss head, so it wasn’t even a real dance.
He had 7 partners to train like the Cell jrs who have Saiyan genetics, so they should had Zenkais aswell...I'm pretty sure that's Bulma
Sure thing.Just to drag the discussion away from Krillin scaling for a bit, I got some ideas for a set of new keys for Gohan and Piccolo:
- Piccolo:
- "Tournament of Power and Beyond" key should be renamed to "Tournament of Power / Super Hero", or he just gets a "Super Hero" key.
- He should get a "Potential Unlocked" key, since it's clearly something he has to activate in order to use, seeing as he did such against Gamma 2 and at the end of the movie.
- He gets an "Orange Piccolo" key.
- Gohan:
- Gohan should get a "Super Hero" key, since he's apparently been slacking off a lot because of his family and studies, meaning he is weaker than his ToP self, especially since he had to reawaken his Ultimate form again.
- He could get a "Ultimate Form (Super Hero)" key, since the gap between his SSJ and Ultimate forms seems quite large (was getting overwhelmed by Gamma 1 in SSJ, but then completely stomped Gamma 1 in Ultimate form), or his Ultimate Form can just be mixed with his overall Super Hero key.
- He should get a key for his new form. Apparently, the form is called "Final Gohan", thus the key's name should be "Final Gohan".
He will be Low 2-C, no?Piccolo:
I think he should get a Super Hero key and just put his forms in there since besides boosting his power, he doesn't get any new abilities from them, so making new keys for
There's likely a good logic to his growth in strength, it's just that we didn't see his training so some people are very skeptical.Although, I still fail to understand one thing..... GodlyCharmander....., I mean, 17's increase could have a logical explanation, I don't know why it should be disregarded.....
Yet again, Gohan's incredible power up post Tournament of power was out of logic tho.
well Manga specificallyWell, 17 didn't train alone in the island ,actually, he trained with Cell jrs which individualy were like SS1 Cell saga level.
And knowing that Cell jrs have Saiyan genetics, this guys got stronger along with 17 through the training aswell.
Imagine training for 7 years with like 7 dudes whose powers rivals you and are constantly getting Zenkais....
Also, take in count 17 could train even harder than Goku and Vegeta, without break, and that thanks to his limitless energy supply.
I don't remember any spoilers saying he hasn't gotten weaker. And isn't him blocking Piccolo's attack just a reaction thing? He even struggled to keep himself up when Piccolo Clothes Beam'd the weighted gear on him. Him not becoming Ultimate at will is also a sign of him being weaker, because that's exactly how it happened in the ToP saga.I think some spoilers said that he said that he hasn't gotten weaker when he blocked Piccolo's attack. It's seems to be that he has mostly become rusty and can't become Ultimate at will because of it.
At this rate, why don't we upgrade Fat Buu aswell??
Might have to ask Spinorr. Yeah it's reaction, but also dura since he blocked it, and don't forget that in DB speed tends to grow relative to strength thanks to Ki. That's because he hasn't used weighted clothing in a long time, not because it was to much for him, we even see him do stuff with it perfectly fine afterwards. Fair enough. Another reason he scales to Base Piccolo is because he performed better against Gamma 1 than Base Piccolo did against Gamma 2, and as of now there's nothing implying Gamma 1 and 2 are any different in terms of power.I don't remember any spoilers saying he hasn't gotten weaker. And isn't him blocking Piccolo's attack just a reaction thing? He even struggled to keep himself up when Piccolo Clothes Beam'd the weighted gear on him. Him not becoming Ultimate at will is also a sign of him being weaker, because that's exactly how it happened in the ToP saga.
Fair enough.Yeah it's reaction, but also dura since he blocked it, and don't forget that in DB speed tends to grow relative to strength thanks to Ki.
I'm not really arguing for whether or not he scales to Base Piccolo, my argument was that him getting a new key should also elaborate on the fact that he had been slacking off during the timeskip because of his family and studies, thus making him weaker than his ToP self. He can scale above Base Piccolo in his Base Form, I'm fine with that given the feats, my point was just making a new key for him.Another reason he scales to Base Piccolo is because he performed better against Gamma 1 than Base Piccolo did against Gamma 2, and as of now there's nothing implying Gamma 1 and 2 are any different in terms of power.
Also Masako said that supposedly Gohan going Final Gohan fully restored his eyesight...somehow.
Oh my bad. Yeah I think he should get a new Super Hero key and note that outside of his Ultimate form, he's somewhat weaker than he was before.Fair enough.
I'm not really arguing for whether or not he scales to Base Piccolo, my argument was that him getting a new key should also elaborate on the fact that he had been slacking off during the timeskip because of his family and studies, thus making him weaker than his ToP self. He can scale above Base Piccolo in his Base Form, I'm fine with that given the feats, my point was just making a new key for him.
bro, enhanced senses be damned
Bro can restore his vision by going Gohan Blanco.