Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[Fezzih_007]

No, he is using his max power when buffed, not when he is skinny

I din't say he was trought.

he also had no reason to destroy every city each year yet he did, that is not a good excuse

He did because he is evil and want to spread terror, by slowing killing the population on earth, but doing a Moon size explosion on the planet for no reason during the story? He don't have any reason.

why does Krillin need to concentrate to block bullets

Man, you hilarious.
Ok so you said this

no, you only show veins when you use your full power or when you are a angry, not when you are concentrating

So I point out a moment when Killing does a attack, bullet scattering, when he does concentrate.

And you somehow mistook this for saying Krillin took effort in block bullets? Really?
Lmao, you a funny person.
Are you trolling me or what?

 

[Alexander]

I din't say he was trought.

ok

He did because he is evil and want to spread terror, by slowing killing the population on earth, but doing a Moon size explosion on the planet for no reason during the story? He don't have any reason.

It's not like he's going to kill everyone anyway.

Man, you hilarious.
Ok so you said this

So I point out a moment when Killing does a attack, bullet scattering, when he does concentrate.

And you somehow mistook this for saying Krillin took effort in block bullets? Really?
Lmao, you a funny person.
Are you trolling me or what?

i am going to be honest, i didn't know the name was that for the attack, mostly because it is in english and the names of the dragon ball attacks in english are Shit, like try ray?solar flare?Special beam cannon?

 

[Omegabronic]

No? I'm sorry but do you feel ok? Can you name a bit of cosmology lore in super that's different between them? The biggest difference even close to that is the top 5 warriors statment vs the strongest of them all.

that's oddly specific

Well...yes that is why it was separated I was here when it happened, and no there not separated because all continuitys are separated,

yes they are, DB Games was the same page at one point, and that always had different Cosmology, since it was a different continuity, it was separated

there not, there separated for mostly practical reasons like clutter and that if a user is looking for one they probably don't want the other

no, they are cuz they are different continuities

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Speaking of Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball Z is just a beautiful art with several original episodes that Akira Toriyama put together, what came after that was "GT" which is a parallel reality according to Akira Toriyama.

For me everything is an infinite shared multiverse of DB

 

[Alexander]

Speaking of Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball Z is just a beautiful art with several original episodes that Akira Toriyama put together, what came after that was "GT" which is a parallel reality according to Akira Toriyama.

For me everything is an infinite shared multiverse of DB

good for you, because as far as we know there are zero confirmations, and it doesn't seem like Toyotaro wanted to canonize gt

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

good for you, because as far as we know there are zero confirmations, and it doesn't seem like Toyotaro wanted to canonize gt

Goku sola!

 

[Alexander]

Goku sola!

a quien luffy?

 

[Darkmon_cns]

that's oddly specific

Because it was literally the only difference I could think of

yes they are, DB Games was the same page at one point, and that always had different Cosmology, since it was a different continuity, it was separated

The only reason they weren't separate for so long was because no one wanted to do it.

no, they are cuz they are different continuities

As far as I know and have experienced on this wiki, you are simply wrong.

 

[Omegabronic]

Because it was literally the only difference I could think of

.........are you seriously trying to tell me the DBS Manga and Anime are indentical in everything, story, characters, etc, and that cosmology is the only difference you can think of?.....have, have you ever read or watched both? like.....at all?

The only reason they weren't separate for so long was because no one wanted to do it.

............yeah, good opinion

see verses like Sonic and Dragon Ball itself and you will see that different continuities get different verse pages due to their differences, and even then they are still separated even if they are the same continuity, like Sonic Boom and Archie Sonic Post-Reboot and Dr.Slump and Dragon Ball

As far as I know and have experienced on this wiki, you are simply wrong.

As far as I know and have experienced on this wiki, you are simply wrong.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

.........are you seriously trying to tell me the DBS Manga and Anime are indentical in everything, story, characters, etc, and that cosmology is the only difference you can think of?.....have, have you ever read or watched both? like.....at all?

Cosmology is the only difference that matters largly because of the nature if high level feats. This discussion has essential boiled down to "I'm right about this your wrong" do I don't intend to engage with it anymore

 

[Omegabronic]

Cosmology is the only difference that matters largly because of the nature if high level feats.

......no, no it isn't, the story is significantly different, as much different as Toei DB and Manga DB

This discussion has essential boiled down to "I'm right about this your wrong" do I don't intend to engage with it anymore

ok

 

[Darkmon_cns]

......no, no it isn't, the story is significantly different, as much different as Toei DB and Manga DB

Are...you ok? I mean this completely legitimately. How can you think the existence of characters like garlic jr, janimba, and cooler not to mention entire arks like the other world tournament with an entire extra series taking place years later is equivalent to the differences between the super anime and manga? 2 things that well the storyline differ use the same characters and concepts for there storys? You somehow think these things are equally different?

 

[Omegabronic]

Are...you ok? I mean this completely legitimately. How can you think the existence of characters like garlic jr, janimba, and cooler not to mention entire arks like the other world tournament with an entire extra series taking place years later is equivalent to the differences between the super anime and manga? 2 things that well the storyline differ use the same characters and concepts for there storys? You somehow think these things are equally different?

1 i said specifically Toei's differences with the manga, as in, not including GT as it isn't a different depiction of a new story

2 yeah, the DBS Anime has many different characters in its episodes, thr clone Vegeta, Barry Khan and that weird pasite thing, the cat aliens that came to fight Mr.Satan, etc. As well as several additional arcs and fights, like the copy Vegeta one, so yeah, i am quite serious when saying both are majorly different

 

[Darkmon_cns]

1 i said specifically Toei's differences with the manga, as in, not including GT as it isn't a different depiction of a new story

2 yeah, the DBS Anime has many different characters in its episodes, thr clone Vegeta, Barry Khan and that weird pasite thing, the cat aliens that came to fight Mr.Satan, etc. As well as several additional arcs and fights, like the copy Vegeta one, so yeah, i am quite serious when saying both are majorly different

1 GT is definitely part of the toei timeline and there is no reasonable interpretation of what you've been talking about so far that excludes GT, you're only trying to exclude it now, because it makes what you were saying before objectively absurd.

2 the OG dragonball and DBZ have many times more one off filler characters. You claimed they were equally different, I found that idea absurd (and it is) these one off filler characters aren't a major difference. They change nothing in the grand scale of the world and fit the tone and setting of both manga and anime it is the major changing of cosmology and add ons that make story beats impossible that truly make it a "major difference"

 

[Shar122]

The DBZ anime kinda contradicts DBZ movie stuff

 

[Omegabronic]

1 GT is definitely part of the toei timeline and there is no reasonable interpretation of what you've been talking about so far that excludes GT, you're only trying to exclude it now, because it makes what you were saying before objectively absurd.

No it doesn't? I was purely comparing the OG Manga with the original adaptation of the Toei anime......if you want to include GT i can just as easily include Super, which leaves the original points of the ammount of differences the same..........so, again, i wasn't talking about GT, as GT can be a difference Z Toei to Z Manga as GT isn't Z Toei, it is a different Anime that continues its story

2 the OG dragonball and DBZ have many times more one off filler characters. You claimed they were equally different

i don't mean in a literal sense, as i didn't stopped to count the ammount of filler characters, but the the ammount of completely new added content that was not in the manga, percentage wise, is similar

, I found that idea absurd (and it is) these one off filler characters aren't a major difference.

......and you are the one to put in stone what is "major" and what isn't because?

They change nothing in the grand scale of the world

and that matters for them to be factually different because? And to have many additions in mass that weren't in the manga how?

and fit the tone and setting of both manga

......this matters for a conversation about differences......how?

and anime it is the major changing of cosmology and add ons that make story beats impossible that truly make it a "major difference"

..........again, you decide what is major and what isn't......why?

 

[Omegabronic]

The DBZ anime kinda contradicts DBZ movie stuff

Working on something for this

 

[Darkmon_cns]

No it doesn't? I was purely comparing the OG Manga with the original adaptation of the Toei anime......if you want to include GT i can just as easily include Super, which leaves the original points of the ammount of differences the same..........so, again, i wasn't talking about GT, as GT can be a difference Z Toei to Z Manga as GT isn't Z Toei, it is a different Anime that continues its story


i don't mean in a literal sense, as i didn't stopped to count the ammount of filler characters, but the the ammount of completely new added content that was not in the manga, percentage wise, is similar


......and you are the one to put in stone what is "major" and what isn't because?


and that matters for them to be factually different because? And to have many additions in mass that weren't in the manga how?


......this matters for a conversation about differences......how?


..........again, you decide what is major and what isn't......why?

No you were talking about how the toei timeline and the kia/super timeline were equally different from the OG Manga super timeline. They aren't equally different there is no context. I don't see a good reason to continue this discussion honestly your in deep denial about things you yourself said I've honestly lost alot of respect for you, I genuinely hope you just are tired and that's why this is happening. Please have a good day and get some rest.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

No you were talking about how the toei timeline and the kia/super timeline were equally different from the OG Manga super timeline. They aren't equally different there is no context. I don't see a good reason to continue this discussion honestly your in deep denial about things you yourself said I've honestly lost alot of respect for you, I genuinely hope you just are tired and that's why this is happening. Please have a good day and get some rest.

God damn bro I mean I take issue with Omega's argumentation, him digging his heels and stone walling everything, and his obvious bias against the verse but this was some cold ass shit

Bro lost respect for him

Mfer dumped him that shi tragic new patek

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

DB Ultimate Villain, lol

 

[Pyro9278]

Thread 'Ryūko Matoi VS Son Goku'

Friday at 23:04

Tomboy vs. Monkey Boy
Rules:

• Equal Speed.
• The fight takes place in Tokyo, both starting 80 meters apart.
• Ryuko Kisaragi.
• Goku 23rd Budōkai.

Ryūko Matoi (31.0 Exatons):

Son Goku (118.4 Exatons):

Incon:

• Pyro9278
• dragon ball (manga) goku (dragonball) kill la kill ryüko matoi
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• Forum: Versus Threads

 

[Huesito88]

DB Ultimate Villain, lol

Then whom is DB Ultimate Hero?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Goku

 

[Huesito88]

Goku

Yet Goku got beat by the Ultimate Villain

 

[Rokim21]

So anyway, Episode 10 really was something eh?
How y'all think the future super duper big sized Daima CRT is gonna look like?

 

[Darkmon_cns]

So anyway, Episode 10 really was something eh?
How y'all think the future super duper big sized Daima CRT is gonna look like?

Ua tbh I don't know if it'll change much. We could arguably have another tier 1 character. But he'll probably just be tier 2.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Dose anyone else here like the angles of franchise vs franchise in there entirety?

 

[Huesito88]

More Master Roshi stuff guys

 

[Grgrgrgrgergerg]

You guys think we can get Dragon Ball Xenoverse to have immeasurable speed? Unlike DBH they only have infinite speed but I noticed Xenoverse Trunks seems to scale to one of the feats on the Immeasurable Speed Explanation page. Specifically these scans.

The JM GT cast even in their base forms can somewhat keep up with the Shadow Dragon Balls which can physically fly into different eras of time.

Literally immediately after this feat Xenoverse Trunks shows ups. The Dragon Ball (Games) Cosmology page says this is straight up Xenoverse Trunks and not Heroes' Xeno Trunks.

• “Trunks from DBXV has exceeded space-time to quickly join the fight! To help Goku and Vegeta (and others), a messenger of another dimension has joined the violent war in DBH!!!”
• The official short animated trailer for Evil Dragon Mission 6 which also featured the event
• Screenshots of the event directly from the game/Evil Dragon Mission 6
• The other card released for this Trunks from the Evil Dragon Mission blatantly has the Xenoverse logo printed on it, further proving that this Trunks is from Xenoverse

So yeah, this point is pretty straightforward. Xenoverse and Heroes do not share a continuity, rather they exist in the same multiverse as alternate timelines, with Xenoverse Trunks outright making an appearance in the Evil Dragon Missions of DBH.

After appearing he flies with the GT cast and helps them in battle. If you think about it his reaction speed also sort of blitzed their travel speed. The cast flies into the timeline, Trunks must have immediately found out which timeline they're in because he has to put the coordinates to use the time machine, and he arrives before Beat and Note catch up to the other characters who stopped flying.
This is also probably Trunks before Xenoverse 1. This isn't an exact science but the trailer came out almost 5 months before Xenoverse 1 released (September 10, 2014 vs. Februrary 5, 2015 in Japan). If I have to justify this, Trunks was already an experienced time patroller before the start of the game and mentions dealing with legendary fighters and dangerous forces. I feel like by X1 Trunks would just send somebody else to help since he seems to work more like a mission coordinator when he can.
If we were to upgrade X1 Base Trunks to this speed it would upscale pretty much all the other significant characters in those games. Immeasurable Speed Xenoverse Namek Saga

 

[Vietthai96]

Having appear before the release of XV1 doesn't make him chronologically before the event of XV1, chronologically in-game, it is Time Patrol Xenoverse Trunks, but we didn't know what time period he belong to at the time he travel to DBH battlefield

 

[Grgrgrgrgergerg]

Having appear before the release of XV1 doesn't make him chronologically before the event of XV1, chronologically in-game, it is Time Patrol Xenoverse Trunks, but we didn't know what time period he belong to at the time he travel to DBH battlefield

I acknowledged that but gave some reasons I personally feel like this would be before XV1 based on how he does his job XV1 and onwards. I guess Trunks could be like 75 here and get some "Unknown Period" key where he has immeasurable speed I guess.
Since that card has the Xenoverse 1 logo on it though I feel like saying this is Xenoverse 2 or Post-XV2 Trunks seems silly.
Also if we analyze his dialogue Trunks says "I have a feeling we'll meet again somewhere. I'll look forward to seeing you then!" to the GT cast. This line reads to me like its the first time he's interacted with GT characters but he does interact with GT characters in a DLC pack for XV1.

 

[Shar122]

When DBH 1-C?

 

[Huesito88]

When DBH 1-C?

When we can successfully communicate with Toriyama's dead spirit

 

[Shar122]

When we can successfully communicate with Toriyama's dead spirit

Afaik Toriyama is barely involved in DBH tho, while he is credited as the creator, the one who is the manager of the DBH game, if I'm Not mistake is Hiroyuki Sakurada..

 

[Grgrgrgrgergerg]

How does the Shared Games Multiverse work with scaling to DBZ characters? For instance can unaltered (no dark ki or other stuff) Heroes Buu Saga characters be stronger than Xenoverse Buu Saga characters? It maybe seems like Heroes Buu Saga characters travel to 10 million years ago and then back. I guess even in the same multiverse I can understand Heroes Buu Saga Base Vegito heavily out speeding Xenoverse Fu but it is kind of funny. Xenoverse Trunks sees the GT crew flying between timelines and is like ????????????

 

[Shar122]

How does the Shared Games Multiverse work with scaling to DBZ characters? For instance can unaltered (no dark ki or other stuff) Heroes Buu Saga characters be stronger than Xenoverse Buu Saga characters? It maybe seems like Heroes Buu Saga characters travel to 10 million years ago and then back. I guess even in the same multiverse I can understand Heroes Buu Saga Base Vegito heavily out speeding Xenoverse Fu but it is kind of funny. Xenoverse Trunks sees the GT crew flying between timelines and is like ????????????

that's what I'm thinking about, those Heroes GT doesn't perceive trunk's movement as just frozen, and Trunks himself can see them..

Xenoverse Trunks should have immeasurable speed Imo.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

When DBH 1-C?

We could've had it but supporters fumbled 5D afterlife

 

[RanHover60]

Why stop at 1C when we could try getting 1A

 

[RoninSlayer200]

We could've had it but supporters fumbled 5D afterlife

Next fumble: 6D Crack of Time

 

[Shar122]

We could've had it but supporters fumbled 5D afterlife

Aww that sucks.. But afterlife I think is still 5D, it doesn't matter if Baba can go to the afterlife or not, because Baba can go to higher dimensions like the afterlife, and because I think it allows her to powers to be Ascend to higher realms or something via special techniques.