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I ment super I thought it be obvious
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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My bad
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What are you cooking?
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No problem man
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looks at Trunks being able to travel back to the timeline that was erased by zeno
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People trying to upgrade canon DB past tier 2:
Hasty12345
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That’s Toei, canon would be a 90 degree inclinePeople trying to upgrade canon DB past tier 2:
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I don't know why, since literally the canon is tier 1.
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The Manga version he's going to a non-erased universe. I don't remember how the anime version went.
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People be trying to get scientists to invent a rocket to get that rock above the 90 degree incline
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Unfortunately a scientist invented 5D gravity to make sure the rocket wouldn't work
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I never said the "canon bros" will succeed with their rocket
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No in the manga version we literally see the time ring that is Trunks' timeline vanish when Zeno erased it
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Neither did I, the 5D gravity and the rocket both failed in a extremely embarrassing fiasco
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I want to know as well
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The "Canon bros" hadn't launched there rocket yet
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Just going by Whis' profile, he travels to "that future" to warn Future Beerus of Zamasu's conspiracy before he vanishes due to Future Shin's death.
Do with this information what you will.
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Correct me if I’m wrong but wasnt the spirit bomb that was powered by just the planet namek enough to harm final form frieza (who scales above planet in first form)
So wouldn’t that mean that spirit bomb > the planet or object it’s taking its energy from.
So wouldn’t that mean that spirit bomb > the planet or object it’s taking its energy from.
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Yes that's why it exploding was embarrassing
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I am fairly sure that there were so few living things left the planet (cus he's drawing energy from living things on the planet not the rock and metals of the planet) that he had to draw from nearby planets. Tho this could be anime only
Beyond that, yes it is greater then the sum total biomass of all the living things it's taking energy of else it wouldn't be near planet busting
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Wasn’t Goku drawing from the Namekian Solar System, not just Namek?
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It's stated and shown he can take energy from inanimate objects like the sun and he took it from the ocean to try and kill vegeta. Speaking of which, should scale above great ape vegeta had he not interrupted, and that only took energy from just the planet as well.
So wouldn't the universal spirit bomb scale to the mass energy of the universe cause goku took energy from it?
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it's life/health energy stuff there is no frame of reference for how much a star has compared to a human or a plant. Besides that the universe is mostly empty space so even if that was the case it only be 4-A or 3-B or C
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That’s where mass energy scales……. Also an ocean + sky and grass is enough to kill large planet level beings. A star should logically be above star level. Especially since king Kai said “imagine what you can do with earth or even the sun” implying that energy from the sun would be very powerful
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depends, how much energy did he took?
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Its consistently stated he took energy from the universe to the point that otherworld even joined in. Combined with the fuckton of statements of kid buu going to destroy the universe should support that it would be at least the mass energy of the universe (not flat out because individually absorbing the energy to destroy every planet and star would be less than the omnidirectional explosion) so it’d be galaxy to multi galaxy
Imma try to find scans but I’m surprised this is never brought up to support tier 3 buu
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I deeply disagree. It's a form of life force the physical size of somthing has nothing to do with it. Ocean sky and grass wasn't all he took from it, he took energy from the birds in the sky, there life in the ocean and yes the life force of grass.
I'd have to ask for manga scans because I believe the scene your talking about is anime only
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I misremembered it, he took a little bit of earths energy but
He took it from the earths core as well, which is inanimate. Keep in mind this wasn't ALL of it, only a little according to goku
King kai also calls the suns energy tremendous, while also saying that the genki dama using a small part of the planets energy, can destroy the planet itself.
So it should stand that Genki dama > power needed to kill/destroy the doner, so taking energy from the universe would lead to it being > the mass energy of the universe (which is multi galaxy barely) supporting the universal overtime kid buu, especially since goku in the manga implies in a relatively short timeframe (I think the term he used was "poof") which with multi-galaxy levels of power and teleportation, it would very much be "poof".
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I feel like this ignores how in the Moro Arc it’s revealed the energy of planets are cosmically strong. Moro can use the Energy of Namek itself to damage Vegeta, a Low Multiversal threat. Clearly, the Energy needed to Bust a planet is not comparable to the Energy it Contains.
I misremembered it, he took a little bit of earths energy but
He took it from the earths core as well, which is inanimate. Keep in mind this wasn't ALL of it, only a little according to goku
King kai also calls the suns energy tremendous, while also saying that the genki dama using a small part of the planets energy, can destroy the planet itself.
So it should stand that Genki dama > power needed to kill/destroy the doner, so taking energy from the universe would lead to it being > the mass energy of the universe (which is multi galaxy barely) supporting the universal overtime kid buu, especially since goku in the manga implies in a relatively short timeframe (I think the term he used was "poof") which with multi-galaxy levels of power and teleportation, it would very much be "poof".
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so is this supporting or going against my theoretical argument
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Against, because as far as the Moro Arc is concerned, New Namek—Identical to Namek—Has the Energy of the ENTIRE MACROCOSM (more, actually, due to upscaling, and Earth scales above that, as stronger SSBE Vegeta was hurt by Earth’s Energy), in it. Unless we’re saying Vegeta is Multiversal in the Saiyan Saga because he can blow up Earth, (which contains multiversal levels of energy), or that Goku’s Saiyan Saga Spirit Bomb is at that level because it drained from the Earth.
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yeah........but how much energy from the universe he took? other dimensions helping don't tell me that
no, all the energy of the universe combined(aka, enough to make the stars die out) is like, 4-A iirc, and it clearly didn't get to that point for the Spirit Bomb, hence why stars are still a thing
as for the Kid Buu statements? meh, i see them as valid, but people tried that here before, didn't go so well
cause it isn't even tier 3 to begin with
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Genki dama only takes a little from the donor but I've already shown in another link that a little is still > the donor, as stated by king kai. All that matters is the range, which extends to low multi.
But Moro can absorb the ENTIRE energy of the planet, spirit bomb only takes a small part and that's enough to destroy the planet.
Mass energy is 3-B, this is for the mass of the universe
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A fraction of the Low Multiversal Energy of the Planet. It’s not that taking amplifies the planets Energy, it’s that Planets just contain cosmic amounts to draw from. Meaning you can’t draw any correlation between the values.
Moro can take tiny bits, and his whole-sale drain does so over time. In fact, his literal go to attack is making a tiny fraction of the Planet’s energy just burst out in lava-like form. Mind you, the “tiny fraction” he hits his opponents with is Low Multiversal (Hurts PSSB Goku and Vegeta). Meaning the whole planet’s worth should be so much greater that it’s literally impossible to calculate.
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The argument isn’t that it takes the whole planets worth, the point is that the energy that the spirit bomb takes is enough to destroy the donor planet. That’s why I’m not arguing for low multi buu, and only scaling it to the GBE of the sources collected, because the lowest we see a fully charged spirit bomb take from the planet doner is enough to destroy said planet. And likewise it should be the same for the star.
Also wasn’t Moro also low multi without the planets energy
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Goku is stupid tbf
