Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

That's my issue. You're instating a hypothetical baseline, when it doesn't even make sense.

One, Goku's Spirit Bomb, like Moro's drain, affects all life on the planet. Even micro-organisms, apparently. This would mean that logically, it should be much stronger than what it is and closer to the Moro Arc's portrayal. Two, Against Frieza Goku took the Namekian Solar System. So this scaling doesn't hold up. Your only example is Earth. Three, due to what we know of the Moro Arc, there is no way to mathematically correlate a "minimum" or "resultant effect," because the pool it drains from is cosmic. Hell, the fact Goku was interrupted and thus prevented him from making one capable of beating Oozaru Vegeta, proves that it's related to a plethora of variables, including how long he can drain, the amount of life avaliable, (in fact, it's explicitly noted to be a limit so bad that Goku couldn't possibly create a good enough Spirit Bomb with only Namek's energy, and even draining multiple planets for an extended period WAS NOT ENOUGH, meaning there is no "BASELINE" that can be GLEANED, as it is VARIABLE), and due to fact it's literally infinite energy, it's borderline unscaleable because a fraction of infinite energy would be...infinite energy. (Though this would be more a Wiki issue than a Dragon Ball issue, but even THEN we see THIS IS THE CASE, because the fractions of energy that hurt SSB Vegeta and SSB Goku are 2-C, and yet STILL beneath the full planet's energy). And, again, due to these circumstances, the logical conclusion or the argument is that, given they are siphoning from this infinite supply of raw physical power, that those various fighters are vastly stronger than they actually are.

Okay I concede.

 

[Fezzih_007]

...am I still not welcome here?

Nah, you good

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Alot of cool lore but

Maybe that demon race ages backwards? He looked a little like the omni king after all or maybe it's his father??

 

[Alexander]

Alot of cool lore but

Maybe that demon race ages backwards? He looked a little like the omni king after all or maybe it's his father??

aging backwards?you mean the older they get, the younger they look?

 

[Kroneii1]

The demon realms existed before the Universe, would this prove that the demon realm has a different time axis?

this is clearly flowery language

 

[Darkmon_cns]

aging backwards?you mean the older they get, the younger they look?

Yeah like galvins from ben 10 but also getting less mature cus the guy definitely kinda looked like the omni kings I feel like that's who was ment to be there

 

[Darkmon_cns]

this is clearly flowery language

....this joke is silly

 

[Darkmon_cns]

If the Demon relam made angles that could explain why angles can't revive someone killed by demons in the manga

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

The demon realms existed before the Universe, would this prove that the demon realm has a different time axis?

That still wouldn't make Goku 5D, we don't know if he threatened the demon realm in his fist clash with Beerus

 

[Alexander]

That still wouldn't make Goku 5D, we don't know if he threatened the demon realm in his fist clash with Beerus

In fact, if we know, literally the clash only affected universe 7, it was not going to affect any other universe, and saying that it did affect the rest of the universes is a mega stretch

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

In fact, if we know, literally the clash only affected universe 7, it was not going to affect any other universe, and saying that it did affect the rest of the universes is a mega stretch

Exactly lol

 

[RedReaper616]

Yeah like galvins from ben 10 but also getting less mature cus the guy definitely kinda looked like the omni kings I feel like that's who was ment to be there

Nah, Panzy despite being 82 is considered a kid and has to “grow up.” She thought Goku was a kid because of how he looked, and her only reference point is fellow 3rd Worlder Demons. Implying their adult phase is similar to Saiyan/Humans. Also, there’s straight up just old Demons like the Dandalion plane guy, or that Demon who lost part of his lifespan due to Gomah’s tax.

I think it’s just them being notably different and weird compared to everyone else for the sake of being so, because Toriyama valued big surprises in small packages. Hence why Kid Buu and (Final Form) Frieza look the way they do. He likes the juxtaposition of immense power and authority from tiny people. This is just that on a cosmic scale. Plus, Toriyama’s modern style is just thinner and more gag like (see Neko Majin and U6 Saiyans) compared to his older style that focused on more musculature (which he himself noted).

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

That still wouldn't make Goku 5D, we don't know if he threatened the demon realm in his fist clash with Beerus

No, Goku can no somehow affect the demon realm, there is a kind of hyperspace that separates all the Universes.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

this is clearly flowery language

I disagree because it is hyperbole and fallacy.

 

[Alexander]

No, Goku can no somehow affect the demon realm, there is a kind of hyperspace that separates all the Universes.

or simply there a lot of distance

 

[Alexander]

The demon realms existed before the Universe, would this prove that the demon realm has a different time axis?

no

 

[Darkmon_cns]

no

Uaa actually yes, as each of the 12 universes have one separate from eachother

 

[Alexander]

Uaa actually yes, as each of the 12 universes have one separate from eachother

I had already mentioned my problem like, a couple of months ago, my problem is that time travel affects all universes, and it shouldn't be like that.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

I had already mentioned my problem like, a couple of months ago, my problem is that time travel affects all universes, and it shouldn't be like that.

This just means the time travel is vai a greater under aching timeline that contains the individual timelines of the universes

 

[Alexander]

This just means the time travel is vai a greater under aching timeline that contains the individual timelines of the universes

Individual timelines? Which individual timelines? You can literally travel in time, and all universes are affected by the same time travel, there are no individual timeline per universe, all of them, exist in the same timeline, even when they should not be in the same timeline.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Individual timelines? Which individual timelines? You can literally travel in time, and all universes are affected by the same time travel, there are no individual timeline per universe, all of them, exist in the same timeline, even when they should not be in the same timeline.

This works just fine if again, the individual timelines (which mind you this website accepts them as having) are all contained in one grander timeline, it is in that grander timeline trunks travels through hence why it affects all the universes

 

[Alexander]

This works just fine if again, the individual timelines (which mind you this website accepts them as having) are all contained in one grander timeline, it is in that grander timeline trunks travels through hence why it affects all the universes

Of course, this website accepts them, it doesn't mean that it is the completely acceptable way to do it, or that i will eat it, i will not eat hypertimelines, never, or to say never it is a big exaggeration...i won't eat them until they are not here anymore.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Of course, this website accepts them, it doesn't mean that it is the completely acceptable way to do it, or that i will eat it, i will not eat hypertimelines, never, or to say never it is a big exaggeration...i won't eat them until they are not here anymore.

What's wrong with a hypertimeline?

 

[Alexander]

What's wrong with a hypertimeline?

I already said my reasons months ago, first, they are a DC concept, not a general fiction concept, such as the multiverse, dimensional travel, time travel, and etc.Second of all, it is literally the most absurd way to mock a verse and the logic for it is quite cuckoclock.I mean, in some way, having two universes separated by a huge space makes space huge, 5 dimensional????

 

[RoninSlayer200]

I already said my reasons months ago, first, they are a DC concept, not a general fiction concept, such as the multiverse, dimensional travel, time travel, and etc.Second of all, it is literally the most absurd way to mock a verse and the logic for it is quite cuckoclock.I mean, in some way, having two universes separated by a huge space makes space huge, 5 dimensional????

Yes it makes 5D

Weren't you also banned from DB general threads iirc? How are you able to come here?

 

[Alexander]

Yes it makes 5D

Weren't you also banned from DB general threads iirc? How are you able to come here?

1. no, it just makes it bigger, but bigger does not mean a entire dimensional plane size.
2.i was not allowed to post in dragon ball daima

 

[RoninSlayer200]

1. no, it just makes it bigger, but bigger does not mean a entire dimensional plane size.
2.i was not allowed to post in dragon ball daima

1-) to you, temporal dimensions are significant in size naturally (unless directly contradicted in series)

2-) I'm ngl, if I ever got banned in a general DB-related thread, I’d just assume it applies to all DB threads. But oh well.

 

[Qawsedf234]

The demon realms existed before the Universe, would this prove that the demon realm has a different time axis?

No, because that has nothing to do with what a time axis is

 

[Omegabronic]

can someone help me in applying my Kamehameha thread? i am currently a little busy IRL

 

[Darkmon_cns]

I already said my reasons months ago, first, they are a DC concept, not a general fiction concept, such as the multiverse, dimensional travel, time travel, and etc.Second of all, it is literally the most absurd way to mock a verse and the logic for it is quite cuckoclock.I mean, in some way, having two universes separated by a huge space makes space huge, 5 dimensional????

I mean.. I utterly disagree DC can't own a cosmological construct like that, you've basically said you don't believe it because it’s not a common thing.. and you personally also think it's dumb (i myself love the concept) so basically as far as I'm concerned you have no reason.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

No, because that has nothing to do with what a time axis is

Interesting

 

[Alexander]

I mean.. I utterly disagree DC can't own a cosmological construct like that, you've basically said you don't believe it because it’s not a common thing.. and you personally also think it's dumb (i myself love the concept) so basically as far as I'm concerned you have no reason.

But since it belongs to DC, I feel like no one else has used it, because mainly there has been no reason for it to be a thing, if the verse does not want to bring it, it is not like time travel at all, i have not seen any verse bring hypertime, in a explicicity sense without someone wanting to force it in.

 

[Alexander]

1-) to you, temporal dimensions are significant in size naturally (unless directly contradicted in series)

2-) I'm ngl, if I ever got banned in a general DB-related thread, I’d just assume it applies to all DB threads. But oh well.

1. no i was talking about neutral space
2. ok?

 

[Hasty12345]

But since it belongs to DC, I feel like no one else has used it, because mainly there has been no reason for it to be a thing, if the verse does not want to bring it, it is not like time travel at all, i have not seen any verse bring hypertime, in a explicicity sense without someone wanting to force it in.

Lil bro, just stop.

 

[Alexander]

Lil bro, just stop.

i knew i should have gone back to this thread

 

[Huesito88]

i knew i should have gone back to this thread

Don't be hasty right now

 

[Darkmon_cns]

But since it belongs to DC, I feel like no one else has used it, because mainly there has been no reason for it to be a thing, if the verse does not want to bring it, it is not like time travel at all, i have not seen any verse bring hypertime, in a explicicity sense without someone wanting to force it in.

It's literally the only way it makes sense

 

[Alexander]

It's literally the only way it makes sense

orrr, you can just say "they did it badly" and that would work even more.

 

[Alexander]

Don't be hasty right now

...

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

But since it belongs to DC, I feel like no one else has used it, because mainly there has been no reason for it to be a thing, if the verse does not want to bring it, it is not like time travel at all, i have not seen any verse bring hypertime, in a explicicity sense without someone wanting to force it in.

Being far, while the "Hypertime" term was invented by DC, the concept of more than a single temporal dimension has been studied even before the original appeareance of DC's Hypertime, such as in F-Theory