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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

Vizer04 said:
I think it's kinda poetic that only Krillin, Gohan and Trunks have killed versions of Cell at some point as those three clearly had the most beef with him. For Goku and Vegeta the whole Cell Games were for the most part just that, a game, and Cell was the ultimate challenge.

When a major antagonist gets killed, i tend to prefer that they're finished by someone who had personal history with them. The only exception to this would be the Mecha Frieza Arc since i don't really mind that Trunks offed him instead of Goku.

I also like how both Gohan and his future self lost an arm while fighting an android....

God i freaking love the Cell Arc
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This is one of the reasons I stop liking the Moro arc after a point.
 
Ruphas_Mafahl123 said:
Thoughts??
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Sugoroku Space isn't lacking the concepts of space and time. What is, is the Overarching Subspace that holds it, the Room of Spirit and Time, the Instant Transmission Zone, etc. All of which have their own unique spatio-temporal properties unrelated to that Overarching Subspace. (RoSaT is just a normal space time in an earth sized dimension, accelerated, the IT Zone is a space that transcends time, which allows movements that take zero time/instantaneous travel.) Essentially, it doesn't apply. At least not in the way you're thinking.

That said, BABY might count. He warps the teleportation of the IT Zone, affecting the Overarching Subspace to warp dimensions and put Goku in Sugoroku Space to begin with.
 
RedReaper616 said:
That said, BABY might count. He warps the teleportation of the IT Zone, affecting the Overarching Subspace to warp dimensions and put Goku in Sugoroku Space to begin with.
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CRT time then? lol, one could argue Goku scales too given the fact he tanked Baby's blast in SS4 like no problem
 
He tanked and absorbed it, but according to Kibito Kai what achieved it was the "force of Baby's evil." Goku can only tank it and absorb it, but he can't dish out his own attack like it.
 
RedReaper616 said:
He tanked and absorbed it, but according to Kibito Kai what achieved it was the "force of Baby's evil." Goku can only tank it and absorb it, but he can't dish out his own attack like it.
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But if we argue that Baby's energy was able to affect and warp the teleport of the IT zone and the subspace with his revenge death ball and Goku tanked and absorbed said energy then Goku has some type of hax resistance to it given the context. Goku didn't even recieve an scratch. Goku in his fight against Nouva Shenron stated it that a technique used on him once won't work twice, and this lines up with it tho
 
Ruphas_Mafahl123 said:
But if we argue that Baby's energy was able to affect and warp the teleport of the IT zone and the subspace with his revenge death ball and Goku tanked and absorbed said energy then Goku has some type of resistance to it given the context. Goku didn't even recieve an scratch. Goku in his fight against Nouva Shenron stated it, a technique used on him once won't work twice, and this lines up with it tho
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When you said scale I thought you mean scale to say Goku can do it too.

Goku does scale in the sense he can tank and absorb an attack like that, yeah.

But Goku can't use one of his own design because to do it requires the power of Evil.
 
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Ruphas_Mafahl123 said:
But if we argue that Baby's energy was able to affect and warp the teleport of the IT zone and the subspace with his revenge death ball and Goku tanked and absorbed said energy then Goku has some type of hax resistance to it given the context. Goku didn't even recieve an scratch. Goku in his fight against Nouva Shenron stated it that a technique used on him once won't work twice, and this lines up with it tho
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Actually thing brings up a question, can different timeline versions of characters that under went very different training even scale hax and resistances?
 
RedReaper616 said:
When you said scale I thought you mean scale to say Goku can do it too.

Goku does scale in the sense he can tank and absorb an attack like that, yeah.

But Goku can't use one of his own design because to do it requires the power of Evil.
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Yeah, what I'm saying is that if we agree that said evil energy did have such level of NPI on conceptual level, then Goku should get some type of hax resistance to it.
 
Darkmon_cns said:
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Actually thing brings up a question, can different timeline versions of characters that under went very different training even scale hax and resistances?
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No, not quite, unless they share resistances against an specific hax that works the same way each timeline of said verse, the example being Heroes and Xenoverse that share cosmology and multiverse
 
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RedReaper616 said:
It occurs to me. Why are 17 and 18 only considered "Partial" for Cyborgization? They should be considered "Full," as Doctor Gero's works literally altered their entire body on the cellular level.
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I'm assuming it's probably because the two are still mostly organic (albeit modified organics) whereas someone like Dr. Gero put his whole brain into an entirely artificial body.
 
RedReaper616 said:
It occurs to me. Why are 17 and 18 only considered "Partial" for Cyborgization? They should be considered "Full," as Doctor Gero's works literally altered their entire body on the cellular level.
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Full Cyborgization is replacing exposed everything except the brain, and Normal Cyborgization involves replacing the outer shell containing internal organs with cybernetic parts; "replaced only some parts of the body" covers 17 and 18's Perpetual Energy Reactors and the superhuman cellular enhancements.
 
So in this case, despite being fully remade, because they're organic-based "Cyborgs" they only qualify for Partial due to the very small mechanical parts that exist within their forms. Still strange, but neat.
 
two questions, is DB Minus considered canon? if so to which canon? How about Yo! Son Goku and his Friends?
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Full Cyborgization is replacing exposed everything except the brain, and Normal Cyborgization involves replacing the outer shell containing internal organs with cybernetic parts; "replaced only some parts of the body" covers 17 and 18's Perpetual Energy Reactors and the superhuman cellular enhancements.
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Damn, it will be nice to have these scans, we need to update character's intelligence section especially characters like Bulma and Dr.Gero
 
Nierre said:
why isn't it considered canon currently
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Unironically, I DON'T know why.
Nierre said:
/why do you disagree?
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Tarble has been referenced by Toriyama explicitly multiple times, (Battle of Gods, DBS: Broly, probably more), Toriyama wrote the story, and the only reason he didn't draw it outright HIMSELF is because it was "too much of a pain" for him to do for himself, so he had someone else do it for him. Toyotarou even references it explicitly for when he was writing the DBS Manga, stating Gas was "around their level, Pre-Fused," in his head in an interview. As far as I'm aware, all signs point to Yo! Son Goku (or at least a lot of its elements) being canon.
Nierre said:
smh
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Couldn't help but make the joke.
 
Vizer04 said:
Why would it be canon? Was Tarble mentioned in the DBS manga?
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It was written by Toriyama, he was definitely referenced in the anime version of events can't say for the mamga, anime and manga are equally the main canon and have been in DB for near a decade now
 
Darkmon_cns said:
This literally has nothing to do with them being equally main canon
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.....yes it does, as the "main canon" is the Manga, while Kai is another canon separated from said manga

honestly "main" canon in a franchise with so many continuities such as this has little real importance
 
Omegabronic said:
.....yes it does, as the "main canon" is the Manga, while Kai is another canon separated from said manga

honestly "main" canon in a franchise with so many continuities such as this has little real importance
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No the main canon is the one with most importance and prominence with new releases- it's the canon other derivative canons are based on. That's equally both the super manga and anime.
 
So uh, how many times is end of GT Goku into 3 universes?

Can bro fight someone who's two quintillion five hundred sixty quadrillion times baseline three universes
 
Spinoirr said:
So uh, how many times is end of GT Goku into 3 universes?

Can bro fight someone who's two quintillion five hundred sixty quadrillion times baseline three universes
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If the character in question is cabba SS4s one shot for they have developed special anti cabba techniques
 
Spinoirr said:
So uh, how many times is end of GT Goku into 3 universes?

Can bro fight someone who's two quintillion five hundred sixty quadrillion times baseline three universes
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Uuuhhhh, according to Cryo based on the scaling chain they end at 163 Quadrillion, at least before the NKB, where Goku’s durability (and power) rises to the degree he can tank Omega’s attacks in base form, making him waaaay stronger when he applies his SSJ forms. Though that’s speculation, a bit.

EDIT: If you account for the 250000 potential value, then they rise to 8.1 Quintillion pre-NKB.
 
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