Huh, that is true, we can't be sure of how much he finished however, but still, a very valid point
Yeah, that is a valid feat, he is keeping with a Super Computer, no matter what is said, this fact cannot be contested
Assuming they were analysed perfectly......kidding lol
Your last point literally just means the supercomputer literally thought the only way to surpass or match Goku in skill was to take more time to analyse a bunch of other hyper masters ontop of Goku's data. It doesn't think just copying Goku's data will be enough to reliably deal with Goku.
More like "better be 100% sure that it will be able to kill him with no mistakes" since all it was doing was trying to find ways to kill goku, plus much of that time was also for Cell to grow and develop his body, so it didn't really had a choice in that aspect, it need for cell to grow, and did stuff in the meantime
Tbf, in the end he didn't and needed the Super Saiyan and spirit bomb combo to kill 13
They were being analysed in real time, it isn't a situation of them analysing their past data and improving it, they are using the data of them "now" to beat them, still an impressive feat, as i said, i agree with using it as "super computer" level justification, so don't you worry about that
His literal body was done. Like, he literally was there as a larva. His physiology was done. And we know from Cell that once complete he was still a larva, because he had to grow in an egg underground when he force restarted to fit in the time machine. So the rest of the development is the data. Also, Cell says his completion is in twenty four years and that this isn't due to cells. He's complete. And we see this is the case, because, again, his physiology is complete. Cell also says that the reason Gero gave up is literally the amount of time, because synthesizing of his cells from those genetics was already done by Gero himself. Which means, again, the only thing left to do is finish honing Cell's body and the combat data. And, AGAIN, the genetics are the exact same as combat data too, so this means even if you want to argue the entire time it was just synthesizing more cells, that cellular synthesis is literally the synthesis of combat data.
Of?
Not particularly.
Sure, more than just Goku's data was involved. But the main focus still by necessity was Goku, so this means a greater portion of that time was used on Goku specifically than anyone else. Even if it took them 15 years for everyone else and only 5 for Goku, it still means Goku individually is just hitting a much higher bracket. Also, this ignores how Goku was the main factor for these bots being made over time, long before any other data was introduced. The only reason other people's data was involved was because Gero and his Computer found it necessary/wanted to create the strongest thing possible to kill Goku specifically. For years before even that project he was dealing with Goku's information to specifically kill him and failing, which is why the Androids and Cell were even made, and it still took that time to really finish up and get the job done. So regardless his Supercomputer spent a sizable amount of time on Goku specifically.
And for Cell to grow up to adulthood to be able to fight at all......which we don't know how much time was needed specifically because of that
.....why not?
Yeah, duh, by the time of the saiyan Saga he was obviously more skilled than everyone else, that i am not contesting
I mean, yeah, all i am saying is that atributing the 20+ years as being specifically to try and analyse Goku, when many other factors, such as Cell's own growth, being a factor that would make it take longer no matter what is not really accurate
This is kinda semantics, we both agree he scales and we can go back and forth over shit that would really wouldn't make the feat any more impressive as it is, so let's focus on more important shit.
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When completed he didn't have an adult body. He was still in his larva/egg-like state, because when Cell "starts back at square one" (relative to after he's free of the incubator) he literally turns back into exactly that. Then he has to naturally grow and wait for 3 years, getting into his 4 legged form and then eventually Imperfect as he feeds on the bio-energy of others. Again, the rest was solely data and further adjustments.
Huh.......no? I think it is pretty clear that the "completed" state is his adult body
I mean......yeah, they are still getting data to that day thanks to the robot spy, more data being gathered = more time needed to analyse it
Omega.
The only data that could've been gathered for the Cell Goku fought would be from Future Gohan. We don't know when he started fighting the androids, or when he got super saiyan. And future gohan didn't have tons of good training options, so he wouldn't be that far ahead of his kid self.
No no take your time
Yeah, he still need to grow from a fetus to that
which proves that hia fetus state isn't complete at all, meaning that the time he took to grow out of that to become an......."larva egg thing" is counted as well
his earlier state is a fetus, even with this he would still need time to grow out of being a fetus and into being a "bug"
I am talking about the scene in the present where Cell talks to Piccolo, in that he would still be evolving by getting more data, i was not talking about Future Cell since you were talking about him talking about present cell
FOr what exactly? The fighting data being analysed or for him to grow out of the Fetus stage?
Cell has no idea what data could possibly be gathered. 24 years isn't for just this timeline's cell.
You were not.
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Yes...A process that takes three years in an egg, which burrows in a ground after he was free. Meaning his physical form is good.
Present Cell is just Future Cell further down his personal timeline, so effectively the same thing. This is why he says "the only extra adjustment data he could've gotten was from Gohan." Because Cell originates from Future Trunks' timeline, where the only fighter alive is Future Gohan, as Trunks did not become a fighter until Gohan died, where we only know of one fight he lost so badly he went and time travelled. Further, Cell explicitly states they opted out of Trunks' data, because of the fact they found it redundant. And it obviously wasn't the Androids, because they already have that info. Logically, this means you're arguing the entire time for adjustments was spent on Future Gohan's combat data, which is inferior to Goku's, which means that you're still indirectly scaling Goku's data up by that much regardless.
When did i said Goku wouldn't scale? He does scale to Cell, what are you talking about?
I misphrased that. Goku would scale to the full 24 years of analyzing by the time he fights Cell at the very least.
I mean.....yeah? Cell has all that in his DNA.........hold on, what do you think i disagree with exactly?
Omega I swear I will go down to Brazil, join the cartels, and mess up your wi-fi connection by piggy packing off of it and downloading copious amounts of hentai and I won't let you watch any of it with me
Woah you watch H-stuff with your bros together?
That's how you know they're bros
Genuine question, do they have hentai or animated **** in brazil?joke's on you
Do you watch the H stuff?
This is the second time you have brought inappropriate topics. Cease.
Peak quote.
I have no idea, so I disengaged with it. Please say something worth conversing over. I beg you.
