Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[BitestDust]

I'd reply to this but everyone else already thoroughly tore this to shreds so not gonna bother. Bro just yapping anyways. Probably bait trolling I'm guessing? Like no one could actually believe this, genuinely.

I have already detailed why there are no 4 years BEFORE the start of DBS. And there can't be any 3-4 years between BoG and SH either, since there are at least 4 years between BoG and Broly alone due to the characters actively using Dragonballs, which, for the record, take a year to recharge. And oh wonder, they've been used it just 4 times before SH. Total between BoG and Broly is ~4 years(Or 5.5 years after Buu) + 3 years between Broly and Super Hero(8-9 years after Buu). And its just using dragonballs recharge without other statements. 4 years before the start of DBS just doesn't fit, especially considering the direct reference from the first episode that 6 months passed after defeating Buu and the dragon pearls were used, then a few months pass (I already linked to it above) and the BoG arc begins. It takes about a year between the beginning of the BoG arc and the meeting between Goku and Beerus because the Dragonballs have time to recharge. Daima just can't exist in that year timeskip, and it actually doesn't exist there. + Not fused Kibito and Kaioshin and some other contradicts to Super.

The fact that the authors specified the wrong year compared to DBZ does not indicate 4 years of timeskip between the end of Z and the beginning of BoG, as it is contradicted by the beginning of BoG with clear statements of time intervals.

And I'm also going to be accused of trolling here. It's ridiculous.

 

[Spinoirr]

I have already detailed why there are no 4 years BEFORE the start of DBS. And there can't be any 3-4 years between BoG and SH either, since there are at least 4 years between BoG and Broly alone due to the characters actively using Dragonballs, which, for the record, take a year to recharge. And oh wonder, they've been used it just 4 times before SH. Total between BoG and Broly is ~4 years(Or 5.5 years after Buu) + 3 years between Broly and Super Hero(8-9 years after Buu). And its just using dragonballs recharge without other statements. 4 years before the start of DBS just doesn't fit, especially considering the direct reference from the first episode that 6 months passed after defeating Buu and the dragon pearls were used, then a few months pass (I already linked to it above) and the BoG arc begins. It takes about a year between the beginning of the BoG arc and the meeting between Goku and Beerus because the Dragonballs have time to recharge. Daima just can't exist in that year timeskip, and it actually doesn't exist there. + Not fused Kibito and Kaioshin and some other contradicts to Super.

The fact that the authors specified the wrong year compared to DBZ does not indicate 4 years of timeskip between the end of Z and the beginning of BoG, as it is contradicted by the beginning of BoG with clear statements of time intervals.

And I'm also going to be accused of trolling here. It's ridiculous.

Xenoverse, guides say otherwise


This short should explain things better for you (I'm using it as support, not his word is law but he does show scans)

 

[BitestDust]

Xenoverse, guides say otherwise


This short should explain things better for you (I'm using it as support, not his word is law but he does show scans)

That translation thing really can help, but there's still 8-9 years between BoG start and SH. They really used DB many times and Beerus also said after GB about couple years timeskip(Dragonballs were used 2 times before that), and before ToP dragonballs was used one more time, and in Broly again(Between ToP and Broly at least 1 year). Nah, that all is not cool.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

I think i forgot to apply this one
https://vsbattles.com/threads/dragon-ball-kid-goku-minor-addition.171899/

The page as locked and as getting late, so say I would apply tomorrow, but din't.

Done

Son Goku (Classic Toei)

Son Goku is the main protagonist of the Dragon Ball metaseries. Son Goku is the main protagonist of the Dragon Ball metaseries. A Saiyan, sent to Earth as a baby with the mission to destroy it, Goku became a kind-hearted boy after he bumped his head and was adopted by Grandpa Gohan. Left living...

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[UnoRebaixadO]

Is anyone there preparing something interesting?

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Is anyone there preparing something interesting?

I'm preparing a CRT to downgrade the verse to 3-C

 

[UnoRebaixadO]

I'm preparing a CRT to downgrade the verse to 3-C

It's easier for Kimetsu to become Universal High via Infinite Castle than for this to happen.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Is anyone there preparing something interesting?

Majin Buu Saga 3-A and 3-C with my crt, of course, this will be after October 11th, the more evidence the better.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I'm preparing a CRT to downgrade the verse to 3-C

That would be nice

 

[Kroneii1]

I'm preparing a CRT to downgrade the verse to 3-C

I agree

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

Is Daima a 2D or 3D animation?

 

[TiltedFN]

Is Daima a 2D or 3D animation?

Bro it's 2D, I told you this already, I dont even need to tell you, just watch it and you can easily tell its 2D lol.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Is Daima a 2D or 3D animation?

Is probally 3D, since Super Dragon Ball Heroes as also 3D recently.

 

[TiltedFN]

Is probally 3D, since Super Dragon Ball Heroes as also 3D recently.

Is this even a real conversation? Man

 

[AyeZ2]

Is probally 3D, since Super Dragon Ball Heroes as also 3D recently.

Huh?

 

[Sus]

why did i stop getting notifs out of the blue

anyway, i hope daima makes good work of SS3, because it's easily the worst canon transformation IMO (it's cool in the 2 movies it appears in, though)

 

[AyeZ2]

why did i stop getting notifs out of the blue

anyway, i hope daima makes good work of SS3, because it's easily the worst canon transformation IMO (it's cool in the 2 movies it appears in, though)

That honor goes to SSJ Rage

 

[Sus]

That honor goes to SSJ Rage

oh right that thing exists

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Is anyone there preparing something interesting?

Cosmology upgrade.

 

[Huesito88]

Cosmology upgrade.

You Null?

 

[Sus]

it would be funny if daima downgrades the verse

 

[Nullflowerblush]

You Null?

Nah, I'm bullshittin'.

 

[Huesito88]

Nah, I'm bullshittin'.

Oh ok, I thought for a second you'd be apart of that group whom is going to try it in a mouth and a 1/2

 

[Sus]

can someone give me a glimpse of this 3A buu thing?

 

[RinneItachi]

can someone give me a glimpse of this 3A buu thing?

What? You mean the old argument? All I remember is that because Goku said that the universe would be gone if they lost to Kid Buu, people said that Kid Buu must be universal even though Goku 100% meant the universe would be doomed, not that Kid Buu would just one-shot it after killing them.

 

[DivineAura44]

What? You mean the old argument? All I remember is that because Goku said that the universe would be gone if they lost to Kid Buu, people said that Kid Buu must be universal even though Goku 100% meant the universe would be doomed, not that Kid Buu would just one-shot it after killing them.

Idk man, Goku seemed pretty clear

 

[Ednaxel2]

Is this even a considered real form for DBS Goku? Apart from like a game card or smth, I don't think there's anything supporting this

 

[Sus]

Is this even a considered real form for DBS Goku? Apart from like a game card or smth, I don't think there's anything supporting this

i think it's mentioned in the RoF saga and then never again

 

[Ednaxel2]

i think it's mentioned in the RoF saga and then never again

Don't think it is

 

[Sus]

then some guidebook, i do remember it being mentioned

 

[CryoTheMayo]

Is this even a considered real form for DBS Goku? Apart from like a game card or smth, I don't think there's anything supporting this

Taking a quick look around there is an art book that mentions it and an interview with Toriyama for the BoG animanga (Archive link because Kanzenshuu seems to be having issues right now) has him explain that:

"I think you’ll understand if you watch [the movie], but Goku has already absorbed [Super Saiyan] God’s power and made it his own, so there is no need for him to transform into [Super Saiyan] God. Goku basically only thinks of fighting as a sporting match, so borrowing the power of five people isn’t fair, and he resisted doing that; however, it seems his curiosity towards the realm that lay even further beyond him won out."​

​

And there is also the RoF promotional manga made by Toyotaro that seems to show Beyond God.

It's overall pretty clearly retconned or Goku and Vegeta just stopped using it in favour of using the transformation but at the time of the movies it was a real thing.

 

[DivineAura44]

I can't see the image for some reason, what's the form called?
Edit: Using context clues, I'm guessing it's SBG.

 

[Sus]

i love one-time useless forms like false super saiyan, super saiyan power, super kaioken and saiyan beyond god

 

[CryoTheMayo]

i love one-time useless forms like false super saiyan, super saiyan power, super kaioken and saiyan beyond god

I'm starting to think Goku has a problem.

 

[RedReaper616]

Okay to be fair
The 3rd one has a reasonable explanation
Kaioken + SSJ can’t work because of the minor distortion in Ki SSJ causes, which screws up the control needed for Kaioken. (Also, fillller.)

 

[Nullflowerblush]

false super saiyan

At least in-continuity with Lord Slug, Pseudo Super Saiyan is genuine "Super Saiyan power".

saiyan beyond god

Saiyan Beyond God is the state of summoning and commanding the power of Super Saiyan God without transforming. Although unnoticed, anytime Goku or Vegeta enter Super Saiyan Blue from a form that is not Super Saiyan God, they are also entering Saiyan Beyond God.

 

[Vietthai96]

idk about false super saiyan but
1. super saiyan power is just an excuse from Toei cause the animator forgot to re-colour Goku hair to yellow, so they need some in-universe lore excuse to get away from it, thus super saiyan power is born
2. iirc he used super kaioken in a dead body, with a living body it could kill him, and that is before he gain SSJ2
3. saiyan beyond god, probably Akira want to make SSG unique ritual only, but people start confusing it with his base form, so it disappear into the back alley, no, get Hakai'ed from existence

 

[Phsccarvalho]

saiyan beyond god was akira having a cool idea, but then the editor and toei said "wait, won't goku turn into yellow 1, yellow 2 and yellow 3 anymore? How are we going to sell figures and cards?"

and then they forgot this concept.

 

[Sus]

Okay to be fair
The 3rd one has a reasonable explanation
Kaioken + SSJ can’t work because of the minor distortion in Ki SSJ causes, which screws up the control needed for Kaioken. (Also, fillller.)

At least in-continuity with Lord Slug, Pseudo Super Saiyan is genuine "Super Saiyan power".

Saiyan Beyond God is the state of summoning and commanding the power of Super Saiyan God without transforming. Although unnoticed, anytime Goku or Vegeta enter Super Saiyan Blue from a form that is not Super Saiyan God, they are also entering Saiyan Beyond God.

saiyan beyond god was akira having a cool idea, but then the editor and toei said "wait, won't goku turn into yellow 1, yellow 2 and yellow 3 anymore? How are we going to sell figures and cards?"

and then they forgot this concept.

i know all that, it's still weird to me, transformations kind of went out of hand especially when u enter non canon territory, they'd have a slightly different pigmentation and call it a new form
look at "full power golden frieza" or whatever that was called

 

[Sus]

(Also, fillller.)

btw it kinda makes sense even in canon,
"combining kaioken with super saiyan is gonna kill you!"
combines them when already dead