Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[Sus]

i love one-time useless forms like false super saiyan, super saiyan power, super kaioken and saiyan beyond god

 

[CryoTheMayo]

i love one-time useless forms like false super saiyan, super saiyan power, super kaioken and saiyan beyond god

I'm starting to think Goku has a problem.

 

[RedReaper616]

Okay to be fair
The 3rd one has a reasonable explanation
Kaioken + SSJ can’t work because of the minor distortion in Ki SSJ causes, which screws up the control needed for Kaioken. (Also, fillller.)

 

[Nullflowerblush]

false super saiyan

At least in-continuity with Lord Slug, Pseudo Super Saiyan is genuine "Super Saiyan power".

saiyan beyond god

Saiyan Beyond God is the state of summoning and commanding the power of Super Saiyan God without transforming. Although unnoticed, anytime Goku or Vegeta enter Super Saiyan Blue from a form that is not Super Saiyan God, they are also entering Saiyan Beyond God.

 

[Vietthai96]

idk about false super saiyan but
1. super saiyan power is just an excuse from Toei cause the animator forgot to re-colour Goku hair to yellow, so they need some in-universe lore excuse to get away from it, thus super saiyan power is born
2. iirc he used super kaioken in a dead body, with a living body it could kill him, and that is before he gain SSJ2
3. saiyan beyond god, probably Akira want to make SSG unique ritual only, but people start confusing it with his base form, so it disappear into the back alley, no, get Hakai'ed from existence

 

[Phsccarvalho]

saiyan beyond god was akira having a cool idea, but then the editor and toei said "wait, won't goku turn into yellow 1, yellow 2 and yellow 3 anymore? How are we going to sell figures and cards?"

and then they forgot this concept.

 

[Sus]

Okay to be fair
The 3rd one has a reasonable explanation
Kaioken + SSJ can’t work because of the minor distortion in Ki SSJ causes, which screws up the control needed for Kaioken. (Also, fillller.)

At least in-continuity with Lord Slug, Pseudo Super Saiyan is genuine "Super Saiyan power".

Saiyan Beyond God is the state of summoning and commanding the power of Super Saiyan God without transforming. Although unnoticed, anytime Goku or Vegeta enter Super Saiyan Blue from a form that is not Super Saiyan God, they are also entering Saiyan Beyond God.

saiyan beyond god was akira having a cool idea, but then the editor and toei said "wait, won't goku turn into yellow 1, yellow 2 and yellow 3 anymore? How are we going to sell figures and cards?"

and then they forgot this concept.

i know all that, it's still weird to me, transformations kind of went out of hand especially when u enter non canon territory, they'd have a slightly different pigmentation and call it a new form
look at "full power golden frieza" or whatever that was called

 

[Sus]

(Also, fillller.)

btw it kinda makes sense even in canon,
"combining kaioken with super saiyan is gonna kill you!"
combines them when already dead

 

[Ednaxel2]

1. super saiyan power is just an excuse from Toei cause the animator forgot to re-colour Goku hair to yellow, so they need some in-universe lore excuse to get away from it, thus super saiyan power is born

The DB wiki labels it as partial manifestation (Not as a name but a way to describe this state) We get to see it other times, when characters almost/are going to power up to SSJ, hence "partially manifesting" it. Vegeta even fights Broly for a good bit while using Super Saiyan Power, similar to Goku's instance but he actually transforms (thus the "fully manifested part")

 

[Sus]

The DB wiki labels it as partial manifestation (Not as a name but a way to describe this state) We get to see it other times, when characters almost/are going to power up to SSJ, hence "partially manifesting" it. Vegeta even fights Broly for a good bit while using Super Saiyan Power, similar to Goku's instance

true, but the real-world reason was literally "we want pikkon to be surprised by super saiyan" so they recolored goku into base form

 

[Ednaxel2]

true, but the real-world reason was literally "we want pikkon to be surprised by super saiyan" so they recolored goku into base form

It's the reason for it's existence yes, but in-universe we just gotta make assumption's on it being a form or state of being

 

[Sus]

we low-key need more base goku action

 

[Ednaxel2]

we low-key need more base goku action

There are 123 chapters worth of base Goku punching bad guys before he goes Super Saiyan

 

[Sus]

There are 123 chapters worth of base Goku punching bad guys before he goes Super Saiyan

yk what i mean