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true, and the fact that his immortality (type 1) is only a possibility i'm pretty sure. destroying the universe with 4-C AP and hypersonic travel speed is....yeah i dont even need to say it
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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eh his immortality is only a possibility like i said. plus even imperfect cell isn't 4-B, a fully charged up super perfect cell is. that statement doesn't make sense from A-16 given imperfect Cell's current AP or speed.
so while i don't think Toriyama intended Cell to one shot a universe, it's just as ridiculous to argue that he'd spend a f**kbillion number of years just blasting stars up only to realize he hasn't even destroyed 10% of them. and no he'd absolutely need to travel a lot, idk why you said that.
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Do we know that he is talking about Imperfect Cell and not Perfect Cell?
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like i said, yeah, because no one knows about perfect Cell yet not even Cell himself. at best, he could be talking about semi-perfect Cell if 16 was estimating how strong he'd get upon absorbing 17
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Well......he knows he would become "perfect" after absorbing both 17 and 18, if can estimate how strong he would be if he absorbed one, he can so the same for him absorbing the other, no?
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except i'm only positing that as a best-case scenario. we know even Cell was quite surprised at his suppressed perfect state. to say that A-16 would be able to predict FP perfect Cell's strength is pretty ridiculous imo. i don't actually believe A-16 was predicting or estimating anything here.
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DBS Speed questions
Right now, the speed stats for DBS characters are all basically upscaled from this calc if I'm understanding correctly That calc scales Goku's and Beerus's speed based on the explosion that would have engulfed and destroyed Universe 7 if Goku didn't cancel it out However, their AP is...
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I mean, he doesn't say "he will be able to deatroy the universe" he says that it is what he wants to do, so since he isn't sure what cell will be able to do once perfect assuming the worst scenario would make sense
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Cell saying he has gathered enough energy/chi to blow away the solar system is outright telling that his AP is only at that level at most, it’s not like he is arbitrarily reducing his AoE, if he were universal he would have said he had enough chi to blow away the universe instead.
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yeah except he literally doesn't know ANYTHING about how strong cell would be. he could've even been underestimating his strength if anything (its basically a running joke in DB that a new villain is much stronger than "anyone expected him to be"). ngl this argument is weaker than Yamcha.
but let me steelman this just to show why even if you were correct in A-16's assumption of Cell, you'd still be wrong overall. let's say A-16 did know that SPC would be 4-B. still doesn't change the fact that being stated to be able to destroy the universe with 4-B AP and hypersonic speed is.....basically impossible, to the point that 16's assertion is almost a complete non-statement that's not even worth thinking about much less worrying about.
as i said, i don't believe Cell can one shot the universe (whether or not Toriyama intended it), but to hold that the other extreme must be true instead (that is, he takes a bajillion years to fly to another star and nuke it, rinse and repeat 200 quadrillion times just for our galaxy alone) just because! is also ridiculous and arguably a worse argument as well, yet we essentially believe that with a straight face
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that doesn't work either. IIRC (check the japanese, idk if its the exact same as english), Cell says he has "already" gathered enough chi/energy to blow away the entire solar system. this seems to suggest not that he was only bragging about busting the solar system, but much more so about how he has already charged up enough to do so (implying he could charge up more/have higher AP if he wanted to).
another reason this argument doesnt work is because if you believe Cell is JUST capping himself as Solar System (as in, at most solar system level as you've just said yourself), then the current rating shouldn't be something you agree with. because SPC is currently quite a bit above baseline solar system level, he isn't capped to baseline, Gohan is even higher (even though he has the same SS busting statement in the Guidebook IIRC).
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