Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[TheGodOfICE777]

• edge
• center

Show me a statement of it being contradicted. I’m not misrepresenting math, I just gave you an example how the amount of numbers between 2 points can be infinite. Even on a line graph, if you have point (1,0) and point (2,0) you could put an infinite amount of points between the 2. Like (1.11,0) and (1.111,0). Facts don’t care about your feelings. If you can’t find a real contradiction and argue out of incredibility you won’t be taken serious.

• shown to be smaller than 3D space and touch other universes

1. U6 & U7 never touch, and the Universes are not shown to be smaller than a 3D space. Although, if you’re referring to it being shown, I would just mention how you can’t draw an infinite sized object anyways, or that the perspective was from a higher dimensional POV i.e neutral space. There’s many verses that show the universe and we still acknowledge are infinite. (Not gonna mention any since I don’t wanna use whataboutism). But that doesn’t contradict an infinite universe.

26 planets with intelligent life

Ah yes, 26 planets with life contradict infinite space within a universe. Like what?

all statements of infinite come from secondary canon

True, still canon and not contradicted. SSJ’s 50x multiplier comes strictly from secondary canon and there’s more statements of infinite universe than there is 50x multiplier statements from my knowledge as well. Secondary source doesn’t mean it’s not canon.

never stated infinite in the source material

Stated to be infinite within the daizenshuu and chozenshuu, which the author himself had to approve to get accepted back in to the guidebook for the latter (chozenshuu).



Allat, and still no contradiction in sight.

 

[Hasty12345]

.....its literally on YOUR profile...

I removed it.

 

[TheGreatBanana]

Now why would 26 planets somehow contradict...infinite size? Also using visuals? Who's this buffoon that tries to argue "Ah its finite on screen thus not infinite"...like duh? The screen isn't infinite?

 

[Hasty12345]

Now why would 26 planets somehow contradict...infinite size? Also using visuals? Who's this buffoon that tries to argue "Ah its finite on screen thus not infinite"...like duh? The screen isn't infinite?

Buffoon?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Now why would 26 planets somehow contradict...infinite size? Also using visuals? Who's this buffoon that tries to argue "Ah its finite on screen thus not infinite"...like duh? The screen isn't infinite?

Little does he know that there are mentioned to be countless planets within the Universe several times, i believe he is thinking there are only 28 planets, but in reality there are 28 planets with intelligent life, lol

Also with their underworld having an ending it's really funny to call it infinite

 

[TheGreatBanana]

Buffoon?

Yes, buffoon.

 

[Hasty12345]

Yes, buffoon.

Why does having a different opinion warrant being insulted?

 

[Ryzen7900X]

Buffoon?

i remember you making fun of Luffy for arguing that the author didnt draw infinite fists, yet you're now making pretty much the same argument.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

The same way the distance between 1.5 and 2 is still infinite.

Just learn up a bit on mathematics and maybe we’ll see if there’s any real contradictions in the future.

Looks like you need to improve your education (this is a joke don’t take this seriously just wanted to mimic Ryzen)

Wasn't gonna comment but since you're trying to educate people I'm gonna correct you.

The distance between 1.5 and 2 is NOT infinite, even if there are infinite numbers in between. In fact, in Mathematics the distance between 2 points is defined as an application that values in R+, i.e., positive REAL numbers. Therefore, no distance is possible in which the distance between 1.5 and 2 is infinity.

Not trying to argue for nor against the point, just correct this

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Why does having a different opinion warrant being insulted?

You don't have a very good attitude towards us either, shouldn't you sometimes stop insulting others?

 

[TiltedFN]

The universe isn't stated to have a center and an edge in canon or anything.

Don't even start lmao

 

[Hasty12345]

You don't have a very good attitude towards us either, shouldn't you sometimes stop insulting others?

Never said I was perfect, but I am always trying to improve myself as a person.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Never said I was perfect, but I am always trying to improve myself as a person.

No one is ever perfect, but everyone deserves respect.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Wasn't gonna comment but since you're trying to educate people I'm gonna correct you.

The distance between 1.5 and 2 is NOT infinite, even if there are infinite numbers in between. In fact, in Mathematics the distance between 2 points is defined as an application that values in R+, i.e., positive REAL numbers. Therefore, no distance is possible in which the distance between 1.5 and 2 is infinity.

Not trying to argue for nor against the point, just correct this

By distance I meant number, since I was flip flopping between explaining math and talking about DB. But yeah the amount of numbers between 1.5 and 2 is infinite.

 

[Quantu]

Neutral on the topic, but hand on heart, if you weren't a Dragon Ball powerscaling fan,

Do you genuinely think they considered the mathematical nuisances regarding infinity in order to keep in line with guide statements they may or may not even know exist or care about from decades earlier, while stating the universe has a center and an edge? All while never once stating the universe to be infinite in the series?

 

[Ryzen7900X]

Why does having a different opinion warrant being insulted?

i don't think it does but frankly you have no right to complain when insulting the entire fandom is one of your hallmarks here:

But as always with this fandom, you rather run to the general thread and bitch for 3 days.

 

[Ryzen7900X]

Never said I was perfect, but I am always trying to improve my education

you were asking for that one

 

[Ryzen7900X]

Neutral on the topic, but hand on heart, if you weren't a Dragon Ball powerscaling fan,

Do you genuinely think they considered the mathematical nuisances regarding infinity in order to keep in line with guide statements they may or may not even know exist or care about from decades earlier, while stating the universe has a center and an edge? All while never once stating the universe to be infinite in the series?

no, but in that case they probably dont even imagine anything more than a 3-A multiverse, at least knowing Toriyama. how's that a valid argument?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Neutral on the topic, but hand on heart, if you weren't a Dragon Ball powerscaling fan,

Do you genuinely think they considered the mathematical nuisances regarding infinity in order to keep in line with guide statements they may or may not even know exist or care about from decades earlier, while stating the universe has a center and an edge? All while never once stating the universe to be infinite in the series?

I don't know why repeating things more than once, when we have official guides stating, it's like saying Goku isn't Universal in a future saga where he takes damage from a fire hydrant.

 

[Hasty12345]

i don't think it does but frankly you have no right to complain when insulting the entire fandom is one of your hallmarks here:

I personally think there's a difference between calling out a general mentality based on numerous observations and personally insulting someone.

 

[TiltedFN]

I personally think there's a difference between calling out a general mentality based on numerous observations and personally insulting someone.

"Calling out a general mentality" As if you didn't generalize a whole fandom, and complain about "bitching" when that's all you seemed to do in SS threads and also brought it over here.

 

[TheGreatBanana]

I personally think there's a difference between calling out a general mentality based on numerous observations and personally insulting someone.

Can't handle someone giving you the same treatment? Stop bitching about it and grow up.

 

[Quantu]

no, but in that case they probably dont even imagine anything more than a 3-A multiverse, at least knowing Toriyama. how's that a valid argument?

Not the same though, they establish the concept of a multiverse in the series. The tiering doesn't matter since that's up to the site.

The universe size is not made clear in DBS in isolation and everything points to finite size without these old guidebook statements to "reverse engineer" the contradictions.

I'm not arguing. I'm enquiring. I think Daima will clear stuff up anyway.

 

[Hasty12345]

Can't handle someone giving you the same treatment? Stop bitching about it and grow up.

If you're not going to comment something productive, don't comment at all.

 

[LordDestroit10K]

But it's not surprising when Super is written by a bunch of people who don't know anything about DB.

Bro thinks he has more knowledge than Toyotaro

 

[Ryzen7900X]

I personally think there's a difference between calling out a general mentality based on numerous observations and personally insulting someone.

there is, but that isnt much better either, but what you did is far worse. i only grabbed a snippet of your entire message for obvious reasons. your entire message is full of unwarranted hostility and insulting tone towards an entire fandom, implying that they dont even put a modicum of thought or effort in their arguments, when they've all done more for DB here than you ever will sitting on that high horse of yours.

and please, you personally attacked me in the Saint Seiya thread AFTER i warned you not to do so. don't give me that crap hasty

 

[TheGreatBanana]

If you're not going to comment something productive, don't comment at all.

Quite ironic from the bitching guy.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

The chozenshuu content toriyama looked over himself to get reapproved in.

Do you have, like, a source for that?

 

[Hasty12345]

I'm not arguing. I'm enquiring. I think Daima will clear stuff up anyway.

Toriyama has put more ffort into Daima than other projects according to the website, so if he thinks the universe is infinite and that's something he wishes to explore in Daima there's a good chance we'll get the statement and it can retcons the failings of Super.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

god damn shit the bed

 

[Omegabronic]

You're apart of it

Nah

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Whatcha'll gon' do when Daima assigns the true dragon are the balls we make along the way?

 

[Hasty12345]

Quite ironic from the bitching guy.

I don't appreciate your tone.

 

[Ryzen7900X]

Not the same though, they establish the concept of a multiverse in the series. The tiering doesn't matter since that's up to the site.

The universe size is not made clear in DBS in isolation and everything points to finite size without these old guidebook statements to "reverse engineer" the contradictions.

I'm not arguing. I'm enquiring. I think Daima will clear stuff up anyway.

i mean i don't think they even think goku can just punch away a whole universe. that impartiality argument is just hokum is all i'm saying

 

[TheGreatBanana]

Nah

You aren't a part of it, you are the whole it.

 

[TheGreatBanana]

I don't appreciate your tone.

No one does, get used to it, bitching guy.

 

[Ryzen7900X]

If you're not going to comment something productive, don't comment at all.

i can assure you he's been more productive in DB threads than you

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

No one does, get used to it, bitching guy.

Tone it down now.

 

[Hasty12345]

No one does, get used to it, bitching guy.

I would like it if you stopped referring to my comments and opinions as "bitching", it's quite disrespectful.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

All of you cease the antagonizing, from both sides.