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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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Nullflowerblush
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Nothing in the video even remotely suggests Toriyama personally supervised the production of the Chōzenshū. You were just going off of word of mouth? Because Charmander said Toriyama supervised the books, he supervised the books? The condensed versions of the original Daizenshuu books with additional information to supplement the spin-offs and Battle of Gods?
C'mon, guys, get with the program; Toriyama's name may be on the cover as the author, but the book is handled almost entirely by Caramel Mama. We all know this.
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"Huh, I wondered what happened in the thread whilst I was out yesterday?-"
Checks.
"WHAT THE **** IS HAPPENING?!"
4 whole pages of craziness was not what I expected this morning. Annnnyyyywaaaaaay, I was wondering if we could quantify the jump given by SSJ4 via SB2's Golden Oozaru, as they were roughly even (with Baby at advantage.) I say this because the scaling chain goes SB2 < Golden Oozaru Goku < SSJ4 Goku = to slightly < Oozaru Baby.)
Thinking on it, large implications arise due to the fact that SB2 is literally a SSJ3, so the amplification we'd use for Golden Oozaru (about 3,200 base, I think, as SSJ3 Goku, 400x Base, is beneath/can clash with Baby SSJ Vegeta, or 50x Baby Vegeta's Base), is also being applied in conjuction with a 400x amp. Which puts Baby's multiplier at what? 1.2 Millon?
Checks.
"WHAT THE **** IS HAPPENING?!"
4 whole pages of craziness was not what I expected this morning. Annnnyyyywaaaaaay, I was wondering if we could quantify the jump given by SSJ4 via SB2's Golden Oozaru, as they were roughly even (with Baby at advantage.) I say this because the scaling chain goes SB2 < Golden Oozaru Goku < SSJ4 Goku = to slightly < Oozaru Baby.)
Thinking on it, large implications arise due to the fact that SB2 is literally a SSJ3, so the amplification we'd use for Golden Oozaru (about 3,200 base, I think, as SSJ3 Goku, 400x Base, is beneath/can clash with Baby SSJ Vegeta, or 50x Baby Vegeta's Base), is also being applied in conjuction with a 400x amp. Which puts Baby's multiplier at what? 1.2 Millon?
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LMAO it got wicked bro, ssj baby vegeta stomped ssj3 goku
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Scrolling through Vol.2 of the GT Perfect Files, and found a confirmation of what should have been obvious. Super 17 can also utilize the energy draining methods of Androids 19 and 20, (using his hands), which means he doesn't have to take his stance to perform an energy drain (and thus his weakness should be modified), but he does require that stance for that specific kind of energy drain we see him use in GT. It's possible that Super 17's stance type is the superior version/grants him more power?
Also, I always thought that Vegeta's Oozaru form being brown in the Shadow Dragons Saga was an error, but apparently that was intentional. According to the Google Translated part of the top of the right page scan, because Vegeta used Blutz Waves to artificially transform, he turned into an "ordinary" Oozaru, (it's worded specifically as "Because Oozaru is the Base of his power...", and there is a difference between the Oozaru types within the Files), he cannot transform back and forth like Goku can. So becoming a Golden Oozaru is integral in attaining the ability to transform at will, and ironically Baby could turn into it (but could not evolve) and Vegeta could not turn into it (but did evolve) and because both halves of this puzzle are missing it's not something he can use at will.
Also, before SSJ4 Goku's design was even finished, SSJ4 Vegeta's was, and they already had Fusion planned.
Also, I always thought that Vegeta's Oozaru form being brown in the Shadow Dragons Saga was an error, but apparently that was intentional. According to the Google Translated part of the top of the right page scan, because Vegeta used Blutz Waves to artificially transform, he turned into an "ordinary" Oozaru, (it's worded specifically as "Because Oozaru is the Base of his power...", and there is a difference between the Oozaru types within the Files), he cannot transform back and forth like Goku can. So becoming a Golden Oozaru is integral in attaining the ability to transform at will, and ironically Baby could turn into it (but could not evolve) and Vegeta could not turn into it (but did evolve) and because both halves of this puzzle are missing it's not something he can use at will.
Also, before SSJ4 Goku's design was even finished, SSJ4 Vegeta's was, and they already had Fusion planned.
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Daima gonna revamp the whole cosmology. Mark my words.
Bonus points if Sparking Zero connects to Xenoverse/Heroes and adds a bunch of stuff.
October is gonna be chaos.
Nullflowerblush
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Holy shit, how'd you find this kind of material? This is huge.
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Interresting match up if anyone wanna comment in?
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Fusion Zamasu vs Lady Bone Demon [0-0-1]
Fusion Zamasu vs Lady Bone Demon Rules: Equalized Speed Zamasu doesn't have access to the Light of Justice, and Lady Bone Demon cannot use the Samadhi Fire Both character can use any of their abilities to win Fight occurs in a abandonned city SBA for the rest LDB: @Sdjlakjh Zamasu: Incon:
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This is going to be some long drawn out post, but I want to say it.
I want to sincerely apologise to those whom I have offended with my messages in recent months, one post in particular where I called out this community's attitudes towards the wiki a few weeks/months ago (I tried looking forward but I couldn't find it).
How I said what I said was just shit and not called for. It's not my or anyone's place to judge how others are affected by things and I was in the wrong.
So, I'm sorry to those I've offended.
I want to sincerely apologise to those whom I have offended with my messages in recent months, one post in particular where I called out this community's attitudes towards the wiki a few weeks/months ago (I tried looking forward but I couldn't find it).
How I said what I said was just shit and not called for. It's not my or anyone's place to judge how others are affected by things and I was in the wrong.
So, I'm sorry to those I've offended.
Hasty12345
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Not sure what I could possibly be baiting, but sure.
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I though Daima was going to be it’s own continuity from Super because of all the legal bs.
Hasty12345
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What legal bs?
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It's okay, little brother.
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Franchise ownership is up in the air right now and from what it looks like, various aspects of it will belong to different companies so it’s likely they’ll do their own things moving forward.
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It's hard to believe Toriyama's work will be respected if stakeholders start acting like a circus.
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I just realized that Super Hero is already 2 years old. What.
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The MEGA file you gave us all. I went through Perfect Files Vol. 2 looking for any extraneous info on SSJ4. Found none, but I did find why everyone says “10 minutes” specially for SSJ4 Gogeta rather than “less than 15,” (as that’s as far as we’re told {by Vegeta} in the actual anime). 10 minutes Fusion time is repeated pretty clearly in the guide. So that’s neat.
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uh....you guys know what to do when someone offers a genuine apology right?
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I also apologize
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Good to see y'all starting to get better. Keep that up.
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so uh, what's this Super Divers about?
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New arcade game.
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It is about the friends we made
Nullflowerblush
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Heroes successor.
- Updated graphics engine.
- In-game cutscenes replacing the original game's dialogue panels.
- Similiar combat system.
- Teams of eight (8v8); seven cards and one Avatar.
- Three monitors and four touchscreens;
- Battles take place over three separate areas of the current map;
- Maximum of three characters per monitor.
- Cards are ¥100 ($0.64) each.
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Wouldn't this mean start of Granolah arc Goku and Vegeta are stronger then broly and Gogeta bc Whis literally saw their fight
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I believe he was speaking in present tense, broly was weaker than their base forms at that point, until the last chapter
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Yes. The blatant implication is that Post-Moro SSBE Vegeta > FPSS Broly. Goku even calls Moro-73 his toughest opponent so far, which would include Broly.
UI Goku >>>> Moro-73 >> SSBE Vegeta > FPSS Broly
Spinoirr
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What about their base forms, super saiyan forms and God?
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At best you could say that Blue Goku would be stronger, downscaling from Vegeta's SSBE, (which operates as the superior equal to Goku's rarely used SSBKK in the Manga), but everything else is unable to be said, as we have no real reference point (from what I remember.)
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Am I the only one wondering how Broly's seemingly regular Super Saiyan form (with no evidence of Ikari being active) is able to keep pace with Beast Gohan ? Like I know he has stupid potential but c'mon...
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He's just built different.
Spinoirr
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Gohan basically fought Goku for like 30 minutes bc of Gotenks' fusion timer
So he was probably tired
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I don't think he even has ikari in the manga, it seems like base - ssj
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