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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

ScalingRandomVerse said:
Yes
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If it's infinite it would be 2A yea, it's shown that the 2C universes don't fill up the entire space, it being infinite would mean it would have a volume the could contain a infinite amount of said universes, which actually could be 2x baseline 2A for dbs as they have 2 low2c spacetimes in each universe and 3x baseline for toei, since each macrocosm has 3 low2c spacetimes
 
omegabronic said:
Huh, just realized it, if Ultima's plan is to make space time feats Low 2-C independent of size, wouldn't that happens for Low 1-C and above as well since it follows the same logic?
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Not necessary, in relation to Low 2-C it would be a full rating due to the fourth-dimension being temporal. If it is 4 dimensions of space + one of time you would still need to prove that the fourth-dimension of space is of significant size

That´s at least what i understood
 
So according to what I read, it is a review where the size of space, even if it is a planet, does have a time axis.

es 4D would qualify for low 2c.

It is only important for only those who have their own time axes confirmed true.

or also for space-time that share axes?

since a temporal axis can encompass multiple space-times

It's better to wait and see what happens
 
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omegabronic said:
Huh, just realized it, if Ultima's plan is to make space time feats Low 2-C independent of size, wouldn't that happens for Low 1-C and above as well since it follows the same logic?
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How would this affect our scaling for the macrocosm?

Like that'd make the time chamber's low 2-C
 
Just opened Jiren´s profile and saw this note:
  1. Due to the vast amount of inconsistencies between various feats, statements, and information given about Time Skip, such as the mechanics explained by Vados and Whis, (that it is merely limited Time Travel that stores time) being directly contradicted on multiple occasions, including feats like freezing Goku in time (twice), Hit's own words, and Word of God, or what even qualifies as Time Skip, as Tides of Time (Hit's Dimension-Shift) was initially stated not to be, but this was contradicted later in the Tournament of Power, or regarding how Time Skip has a reliant Dimension connected to it for Time Storage contradicts Hit's testimony regarding how he never made Time Skip do more than its initial basic function before, (and the basic mechanics, as he needs to skip time first to then store it, contradicting even that description), etc. has created a patchwork of incoherence. Due to this, and how the Time Freezing and Travelling related parts of the ability must both be simultaneously true for the plot of the Dragon Ball Super Anime to make sense (as Vados/Whis explanation is the sole reason he has his greater Time Dimension abilities thoughout the Assassination Arc and the Tournament of Power, and he needs the abilities to also specifically be Time Stop for certain major plot sequences, like Time Cage, {a Time Stop ability which is explicitly described as "Time Skip in Reverse"} to affect Jiren), as well as the fact they are used interchangeably at several points, our community has decided to index the ability as both Time Travel and Time Stop, and to simply reconcile the best we can by ignoring these glaring contradictions to get the most accurate listing of Hit's ability. As such, Jiren's ability to get around these abilities will be indexed as they would be if this inconsistency did not exist. This includes resisting both time travel and stop.
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Reminds me of this:
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Fezzih_007 said:
Is simple.
If someone time travels to the future, and you go with them, you're resistancing the ffect of staying in the past.
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no, if you time travel alongside them you either have time travel of your own to intercept them or Immearuable speed for the same effect......also Hit only travels to the future, not the past, and even then that would be Acausality type 1, event THEN it wouldn't apply to DB since traveling to the past doesn't change the future
 
Oh wait he thinks it's supposed to be resisting Hit traveling through time. No, it's resisting Time Cage, which is "Time Skip in reverse." Time Skip being currently indexed as time travel and time stop. So in this case he's legit just resisting someone trying to force him through time.
 
omegabronic said:
no, if you time travel alongside them you either have time travel of your own to intercept them or Immearuable speed for the same effect
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Not really, If someone time travels, and you can follow them or intercepts then, that means you can resist the effects of someone sending you to the future.

Like, someone go to the future, that means leaving the past behind, and you can tag them while they going to the future. That means you're resisting the effects of the time travel.
 
Fezzih_007 said:
Not really, If someone time travels, and you can follow them or intercepts then, that means you can resist the effects of someone sending you to the future.

Like, someone go to the future, that means leaving the past behind, and you can tag them while they going to the future. That means you're resisting the effects of the time travel.
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Er, no, that means you're just time traveling to follow them. Or you're punching to the future, which isn't resisting time travel, but range-
 
although in this case hit does not send you to the future, and only hit is the one that travels to the future.

well it doesn't matter and Idk
Fezzih_007 said:
Not really, If someone time travels, and you can follow them or intercepts then, that means you can resist the effects of someone sending you to the future.
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Fezzih_007 said:
Not really, If someone time travels, and you can follow them or intercepts then, that means you can resist the effects of someone sending you to the future.
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.........that would be resistance to BFR, even then that doesn't apply here as Hit goes alone to the future

Fezzih_007 said:
Like, someone go to the future, that means leaving the past behind, and you can tag them while they going to the future. That means you're resisting the effects of the time travel.
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no, that means you yourself is Time Traveling to follow them, you are not resisting anything as there is absolutely nothing to resist in the first place

RedReaper616 said:
I imagine it's much like resisting BFR. Someone tries to force teleport you, doesn't work. Except in this case temporally.
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that would be resisting BFR, not Hit time traveling

RedReaper616 said:
No, it's resisting Time Cage, which is "Time Skip in reverse." Time Skip being currently indexed as time travel and time stop. So in this case he's legit just resisting someone trying to force him through time.
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"in reverse" aka the oposite of advancing time is to make it not move at all also scan for such statement please?, regardless the effects of the time cage are said to simply stop one in time, with Hit affirming that all he is doing is making Jiren be stopped
 
omegabronic said:
i don't think you understand, in the scenarion you describe, one would have the ability to Time Travel, without that the scenario you described makes no sense
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That's what i said, one character have a time travel ability, and the other don't.

Les't me explain better.

Person A can go to the future. Person B can't do that. If Person A goes to the future, and Person B is able to follows then even without the ability to time travel, they either have Immerasuble speed, or can powernull the ability of time travel of the other character. And no, you would't need speed to do that.
 
Fezzih_007 said:
That's what i said, one character have a time travel ability, and the other don't.
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as i said, in the situation you are describing, the other must also be able to time travel, else the situation you described makes no sense

Fezzih_007 said:
Les't me explain better.

Person A can go to the future. Person B can't do that. If Person A goes to the future, and Person B is able to follows then even without the ability to time travel, they either have Immerasuble speed
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which would mean that they do have the ability to Time Travel as that is the most standard thing about Immeasurable speed, meaning that they would be able to time travel

Fezzih_007 said:
, or can powernull the ability of time travel of the other character. And no, you would't need speed to do that.
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no because person A is still time traveling in the scenarion you described, that wasn't nulled, person B simply followed them
 
Fezzih_007 said:
No i mean, nulled the effects for themselfs.
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there is no effect on themselves, the things isn't even being used on them in the first place, unless you mean they aren't affect by the attack in the future? which would be Acausality and not power null

Fezzih_007 said:
Like, Person A time travels to the future, and Person B is unnafected by that.
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acausality you mean? also that isn't what Goku did, he followed Hit, he wasn't unnafected by his skip, he followed him to stop his from attacking in the first place
 
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