Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[RinneItachi]

There is an IGN China interview going around where Furutani implies GT won't be in the base game (he cites that they are 'considering' GT characters due to their role in past Budokai games, so possibly Season 2 DLC) but I have seen some people going around saying the IGN article may have misused the term 'GT' or something.

Don't take that as an ironclad rejection. Just...an interesting interview statement that may or may not mean GT won't be present in the base game or Season 1 DLC.

EDIT: Here is the Twitter thread on it because there are conflicting translations and interpretations.

No surprises there. Ever since Super came out GT characters being in games became very rare. I think a DLC is likely.

 

[Damage3245]

If the Mecha Frieza meta succeeds, base Cell Games Gohan becomes 4-B.

 

[SlendVeny]

This is just the initial premise of Dragon Ball with Goku patting everyone's crotch to check if they had balls.

Good thing he stopped doing that before he met Beerus.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Does the durability of Dragon Ball characters lower when they are asleep, even though have it on Goku's profile that he killed Gohan Sr. as an Oozaru, we don't see on page how he did it probably making it more likely that Goku stomped Gohan Sr. in his sleep.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Does the durability of Dragon Ball characters lower when they are asleep

Wut

Even though have it on Goku's profile that he killed Gohan Sr. as an Oozaru, we don't see on page how he did it probably making it more likely that Goku stomped Gohan Sr. in his sleep.

The story shows that Kid Goku doesn't remember what happens when he turns into an Oozaru, so he just looked at the moon while he was awake and doesn't remember what happened afterward.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

The story shows that Kid Goku doesn't remember what happens when he turns into an Oozaru, so he just looked at the moon while he was awake and doesn't remember what happened afterward.

Let me rephrase what I was saying, even though Kid Goku doesn't remember what happened, might it be most likely that Oozaru Goku crushed Grandpa Gohan while Grandpa Gohan was asleep? And if that's the case does it still count as a High 8-C+ feat?

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Let me rephrase what I was saying, even though Kid Goku doesn't remember what happened, might it be most likely that Oozaru Goku crushed Grandpa Gohan while Grandpa Gohan was asleep? And if that's the case does it still count as a High 8-C+ feat?

The manga never really specifies that

I don´t know if this is talked about later, but chapter 21 of the OG manga only mentions that Goku got out of his house on a full moon night and then he killed Gohan, no more specifications are gived

 

[RedReaper616]

This reminds me. I realized we’ve never indexed how Ultra Instinct seemed to wake Goku up after he was knocked out in the final battle against Gas.

 

[Spinoirr]

UI is a sate of mind, gokus power in the form literally depends on his mindset as we've seen in the manga

That shit has no multiplier at all

So shouldn't Goku for UI and Vegeta in UE have a "varies from higher to Far Higher with Ultra Instinct/Ultra Ego"?

 

[RedReaper616]

UI is a sate of mind, gokus power in the form literally depends on his mindset as we've seen in the manga

That shit has no multiplier at all

So shouldn't Goku for UI and Vegeta in UE have a "varies from higher to Far Higher with Ultra Instinct/Ultra Ego"?

I mean, there’s a minimum increase, though. Same with SSJ and SSJ2. Hence why I’m still kind of confused at not giving the flat 50x and 100x first for Teen Gohan, and then having “Varies” after the fact with the range of power stated there.

 

[Spinoirr]

I mean, there’s a minimum increase, though. Same with SSJ and SSJ2. Hence why I’m still kind of confused at not giving the flat 50x and 100x first for Teen Gohan, and then having “Varies” after the fact with the rage of power states there.

Yeah it's at bare minimum stronger then blue evolved even in sign, but it's power does varies and Ultra Instinct adapts to its opponents strength without limit and Ultra Ego grows stronger without limit the more Vegeta's battle spirt grows

Both of their powers depend on their mindset

 

[Nullflowerblush]

That shit has no multiplier at all

uhh?

 

[Spinoirr]

uhh?

Yeah it's at bare minimum stronger then blue evolved even in sign, but it's power does varies and Ultra Instinct adapts to its opponents strength without limit and Ultra Ego grows stronger without limit the more Vegeta's battle spirt grows

Both of their powers depend on their mindset

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

@Damage3245 What more should be done for this thread before revisions can be made?

A possible Class M upgrade for Dragon Ball

Oozaru Goku was able to perform this feat And Tao was able to perform this feat Both are in the range of Class M, so a upgrade should be applied

vsbattles.com

 

[CRIMPSUMPSKI2]

While Goku's page is still unlocked, someone should fix the fact that 23rd TB Goku is listed as 59.2 Exatons instead of 118.4 like on Ednaxel's blog. The multiplier is accepted for the anime page too so I'm assuming it's just an oversight.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Son Goku (Dragon Ball Z)

Son Goku (孫そん悟ご空くう, Son Gokū?) is the main protagonist of the Dragon Ball metaseries. He is a Saiyan sent to Earth as a baby by his father Bardock to escape the destruction of the planet Vegeta and the Saiyan race. Adopted by Grandpa Gohan, he became a kind-hearted boy after he bumped his head...

vsbattles.fandom.com

I’m the Saiyan who came all the way from Earth with the sole purpose of beating you. I am the warrior you’ve heard of in legends. Pure of heart and awakened by fury, that’s what I am. I am the Super Saiyan! Son Goku!

So.... This quote is cool and all, but doesn´t Goku have any more quotes that we can put on his profile?

 

[Ednaxel2]

While Goku's page is still unlocked, someone should fix the fact that 23rd TB Goku is listed as 59.2 Exatons instead of 118.4 like on Ednaxel's blog. The multiplier is accepted for the anime page too so I'm assuming it's just an oversight.

done

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Son Goku (Dragon Ball Z)

Son Goku (孫そん悟ご空くう, Son Gokū?) is the main protagonist of the Dragon Ball metaseries. He is a Saiyan sent to Earth as a baby by his father Bardock to escape the destruction of the planet Vegeta and the Saiyan race. Adopted by Grandpa Gohan, he became a kind-hearted boy after he bumped his head...

vsbattles.fandom.com

I’m the Saiyan who came all the way from Earth with the sole purpose of beating you. I am the warrior you’ve heard of in legends. Pure of heart and awakened by fury, that’s what I am. I am the Super Saiyan! Son Goku!

So.... This quote is cool and all, but doesn´t Goku have any more quotes that we can put on his profile?

On a similar note, I think quotes for DBS Anime Goku’s Coat, Super Hero and Super Saiyan images would be nice. Having one quote for an entire profile is boring but it’s still practical and neat, whereas having quotes for only some appearances and not all of them has always looked wrong to me (especially on mobile).

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Son Goku (Dragon Ball Z)

Son Goku (孫そん悟ご空くう, Son Gokū?) is the main protagonist of the Dragon Ball metaseries. He is a Saiyan sent to Earth as a baby by his father Bardock to escape the destruction of the planet Vegeta and the Saiyan race. Adopted by Grandpa Gohan, he became a kind-hearted boy after he bumped his head...

vsbattles.fandom.com

I’m the Saiyan who came all the way from Earth with the sole purpose of beating you. I am the warrior you’ve heard of in legends. Pure of heart and awakened by fury, that’s what I am. I am the Super Saiyan! Son Goku!

So.... This quote is cool and all, but doesn´t Goku have any more quotes that we can put on his profile?

Here's one if it works:

And as a result, I was sent to Earth. I'm grateful that I wound up here. Besides, maybe an outcast can surpass an elite if he puts his mind to it.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Here's one if it works:

Good one

 

[RedReaper616]

It’s interesting that they made the Gamma Burst Flash orange in Sparking Zero, considering it was yellow in the Manga.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I always associated gamma with the color green because of Marvel, so I was half-expecting it to be green.

 

[RedReaper616]

I always associated gamma with the color green because of Marvel, so I was half-expecting it to be green.

Same. Also because for some reason I mentally associated it with the Final Shine Attack.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Y'know, honestly, I might try getting the 2x tanking multiplier accepted.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Off the top of the noggin,

• Using less than half of his full power, an aged King Piccolo takes Goku's Kamehameha head-on without any damage.
• During its metamorphosis after absorbing Android 18, Cell tanks a punch from Super Saiyan Trunks. Perfect Cell later withstands Super Vegeta's Lucora Gun and emerges from the resulting dust cloud unscathed.
• Android 17's Barrier completely nullifies Piccolo's Hellzone Grenade, as does Cell's Barrier with Goku's Continuous Kamehameha.
• Android 18 blocks Super Saiyan Future Trunks's sword slash with her forearm, nullifying the attack and even damaging the sword's blade. Previously, Future Trunks even nullified King Cold's attempt at downing him with his own sword.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Off the top of the noggin,

• Using less than half of his full power, an aged King Piccolo takes Goku's Kamehameha head-on without any damage.
• During its metamorphosis after absorbing Android 18, Cell tanks a punch from Super Saiyan Trunks. Perfect Cell later withstands Super Vegeta's Lucora Gun and emerges from the resulting dust cloud unscathed.
• Android 17's Barrier completely nullifies Piccolo's Hellzone Grenade, as does Cell's Barrier with Goku's Continuous Kamehameha.
• Android 18 blocks Super Saiyan Future Trunks's sword slash with her forearm, nullifying the attack and even damaging the sword's blade. Previously, Future Trunks even nullified King Cold's attempt at downing him with his own sword.

Wait, the Ki Blast spam has an actual name?

 

[Spinoirr]

Wait, the Ki Blast spam has an actual name?

Yes, Vegeta's Technique

 

[BlastX]

Yes, Vegeta's Technique

™

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Off the top of the noggin,

• Using less than half of his full power, an aged King Piccolo takes Goku's Kamehameha head-on without any damage.
• During its metamorphosis after absorbing Android 18, Cell tanks a punch from Super Saiyan Trunks. Perfect Cell later withstands Super Vegeta's Lucora Gun and emerges from the resulting dust cloud unscathed.
• Android 17's Barrier completely nullifies Piccolo's Hellzone Grenade, as does Cell's Barrier with Goku's Continuous Kamehameha.
• Android 18 blocks Super Saiyan Future Trunks's sword slash with her forearm, nullifying the attack and even damaging the sword's blade. Previously, Future Trunks even nullified King Cold's attempt at downing him with his own sword.

There's also Cooler absolutely dunking on Kaioken ×20 Goku and even flying straight through his Kamehameha before having all of his attacks bar Supernova no-sold by Super Saiyan Goku. Try to pull from every continuity to make it as consistent as possible.

You could also use the really absurd examples in the Namek Saga of stomps like Vegeta vs Qui, Dodoria, Zarbon and Recoome.

 

[Vietthai96]

It’s interesting that they made the Gamma Burst Flash orange in Sparking Zero, considering it was yellow in the Manga.

It is also yellow in DBH

 

[Phsccarvalho]

It’s interesting that they made the Gamma Burst Flash orange in Sparking Zero, considering it was yellow in the Manga.

First - Lucky Salamander. GO BRAZIL

Second - Aren't the colored manga made by the publisher itself? There may be differences in interpretation for the color of the thing (I would use JoJo as an example, but Araki never maintained color consistency for the characters when coloring)
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I don't know if you saw it, but SSBE vsi is a boost like a kaioken. Interesting.

Screw Xenoverse 2 and its shitty achievements. Who invented that damn hero colosseum conquest thing? It's a screwed up TP farm.

 

[CryoTheMayo]

There's also Cooler absolutely dunking on Kaioken ×20 Goku and even flying straight through his Kamehameha before having all of his attacks bar Supernova no-sold by Super Saiyan Goku. Try to pull from every continuity to make it as consistent as possible.

Kind of offtopic but I headcanon Cooler's 5th Form multiplier being around 30-35x. Base Cooler and Base Goku were shown to be pretty even yet 5th Form clearly stomps X20 and SS1 (X50) stomps 5th Form. So it adds up to me.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Off the top of the noggin,

• Using less than half of his full power, an aged King Piccolo takes Goku's Kamehameha head-on without any damage.
• During its metamorphosis after absorbing Android 18, Cell tanks a punch from Super Saiyan Trunks. Perfect Cell later withstands Super Vegeta's Lucora Gun and emerges from the resulting dust cloud unscathed.
• Android 17's Barrier completely nullifies Piccolo's Hellzone Grenade, as does Cell's Barrier with Goku's Continuous Kamehameha.
• Android 18 blocks Super Saiyan Future Trunks's sword slash with her forearm, nullifying the attack and even damaging the sword's blade. Previously, Future Trunks even nullified King Cold's attempt at downing him with his own sword.

Uh, apparently, the original Daizenshuu 7/Chōzenshū 4 text excludes physical attacks entirely, despite previous translations suggesting their inclusion.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

• At less than half strength, Old King Piccolo endures Goku's Kamehameha head-on and suffers zero damage.
• Tien Shinhan neutralizes the Super Dodon Ray with a Kiai—the least concentrated and least powerful external form of Ki.
• Goku completely nullifies Nappa's energy blast with a Kiai.
• Android 17's Barrier negates Piccolo's Hellzone Grenade.
• Imperfect Cell withstands Piccolo's Light Grenade head-on and suffers zero damage.
• Perfect Cell emerges unscathed after withstanding Super Vegeta's Lucora Gun.

Could be more.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

• At less than half strength, Old King Piccolo endures Goku's Kamehameha head-on and suffers zero damage.
• Tien Shinhan neutralizes the Super Dodon Ray with a Kiai—the least concentrated and least powerful external form of Ki.
• Goku completely nullifies Nappa's energy blast with a Kiai.
• Android 17's Barrier negates Piccolo's Hellzone Grenade.
• Imperfect Cell withstands Piccolo's Light Grenade head-on and suffers zero damage.
• Perfect Cell emerges unscathed after withstanding Super Vegeta's Lucora Gun.

Could be more.

 

[RinneItachi]

Does the durability of Dragon Ball characters lower when they are asleep, even though have it on Goku's profile that he killed Gohan Sr. as an Oozaru, we don't see on page how he did it probably making it more likely that Goku stomped Gohan Sr. in his sleep.

Yes it does. Which is why Super Saiyan Goku while relaxing and trying to take a nap got hurt by a rock being lightly tossed at him by Krillin, why Goku in DBS gets near-killed by a regular laser ring and bruised by a bullet. And so on.

Dragon Ball character's DO have naturally superhuman durability though, well some anyways. Goku at the very beginning had no use of Ki but still tanked getting hit by a car and bullets.

Anyways I think it's iffy to scale off-screen events that have vague context. Also I think people underestimate Oozaru. The raw power level increase might be 10x but clearly the actual physical strength is even above that boost. Goku went from wall level to large building level by going Oozaru, that is WAAAAAY more than 10x.

 

[RedReaper616]

Uh, apparently, the original Daizenshuu 7/Chōzenshū 4 text excludes physical attacks entirely, despite previous translations suggesting their inclusion.

I notice that “Barrier Sorcery,” does note this physical limitation, though. Which means that either, A) (Since they’re catalogued next to each other in the digital document, I presume they are together in the actual Daizenshuu in alphabetical order), the “cut off” for sentences was misread by you, or really in general their proximity caused a mistranslation on your end, or B) Same exact thing, but on the OPPOSITE end/the other guys got it wrong.

Though, I think it’s strange, because they explicitly note “physical attacks like missiles,” which doesn’t just IMPLY it, it’s outright stated. And yet your TL doesn’t include it at all. Implying, if yours is correct, an entire clause/sentence was fabricated?

 

[RedReaper616]

バリヤー
囫3图知所囚人澎人厭17号、心
湖人17号（部17号）、セル、孫
衝楽、ベジット気で離整を限り、
敵の攻を防く。幼琲系の技や、 ミサイルなどの物理的英撃を肪く
ことができる。また、ベジットは、 魔人ブウ（悪）に喫収されること から逃れることに成功した。しか し、バリヤーを使うには、つねに
知を旅射し続けなければならな
い。糖理院攻撃はともかく、構手
の知珈飛の攻撃を打ち治すために は、根手の知の倍以上の気を旅 しなければならない。永久エネル キー加を持つ17号や、それを引き 離く完全体セルが使用できるのは 当然と言えよう。また、幼のコン トロールから強さまで、宇宙」と いわれているベジットが使用でき
るのも納得できる。だが、自分よ
バ

This seems to be the entirety of the RAWs, if the OCR is working properly. Though, given the possibility it simply isn’t, I’d just default to the scan itself. Either way, curious to see the results.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I notice that “Barrier Sorcery,” does note this physical limitation, though. Which means that either, A) (Since they’re catalogued next to each other in the digital document, I presume they are together in the actual Daizenshuu in alphabetical order), the “cut off” for sentences was misread by you, or really in general their proximity caused a mistranslation on your end, or B) Same exact thing, but on the OPPOSITE end/the other guys got it wrong.

Oh, no, Barrier Sorcery is on the next page over.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

• At less than half strength, Old King Piccolo endures Goku's Kamehameha head-on and suffers zero damage.
• Tien Shinhan neutralizes the Super Dodon Ray with a Kiai—the least concentrated and least powerful external form of Ki.
• Goku completely nullifies Nappa's energy blast with a Kiai.
• Android 17's Barrier negates Piccolo's Hellzone Grenade.
• Imperfect Cell withstands Piccolo's Light Grenade head-on and suffers zero damage.
• Perfect Cell emerges unscathed after withstanding Super Vegeta's Lucora Gun.

By combining all of my initiatives!

Spoiler: The FINAL Meta! The TRUE Agenda!!!

Dragon Ball Era​

• Jackie Chun destroys the Moon via MAX Power Kamehameha. >29.6 Exatons (Moon level)
  • Jackie Chun grew even stronger before the 22nd Budokai.
  • Had they continued fighting, Tien Shinhan would have defeated Jackie Chun.
• Using the Four Witches Technique, Tien doubles his "attack power". >59.2 Exatons
  • Goku can contend with and even defeat the Four Witches Technique.
• At less than half strength, Old King Piccolo tanks Goku's Kamehameha head-on. >236.8 Exatons (Moon level+)
• Via the Ultra Divine Water, Goku's hidden power is drawn out. >592 Exatons (Small Planet level)
• Training under Kami and Mr. Popo, Goku's strength doubled. >~1.184 Zettatons

Frieza Saga​

• First Form Frieza destroyed Planet Vegeta. >14.82449109 Quettatons (Small Star level)
• After transforming, Frieza's power "more than" doubled. >29.6489822 Quettatons
• With each transformation, (Third Form) Frieza's power is increased further by many-times. >59.2979644 Quettatons
  • Empowered by rage, Gohan damages Third Form Frieza.
• Post-Zenkai Goku battles evenly with Frieza for an extended period of time. >118.595929 Quettatons (Small Star level+)
• The Kaio-ken x20 amplifies Goku's abilities by twenty-fold. >2371.91858 Quettatons (Large Star level)
  • At 50%, Frieza deflects the Kaio-ken x20 Kamehameha with one hand.
    • At 100%, Frieza exchanges blows with Super Saiyan Goku. >4743.83716 Quettatons
• As a Super Saiyan, Goku's strength is multiplied by fifty-times. >5929.79645 Quettatons

Trunks the Story -The Lone Warrior-/Trunks Saga​

• Having trained and fought with the Androids for nearly two decades, Future Gohan is far stronger than his younger self. >59.2979644 Quettatons
• As a Super Saiyan, Gohan's strength is multiplied by fifty-times. >2964.89822 Quettatons
• Future Android 17 battled SSJ Future Gohan with less than half of his full power. >5929.79645 Quettatons
• After mechanizing, Frieza grows further in power again. >9487.67432 Quettatons
  • SSJ Future Trunks defeated Frieza "in seconds".

Cell Saga​

• Imperfect Cell is stronger than SSJ Vegeta. >9487.67432 Quettatons
  • Kamicolo is far stronger than Cell.
  • Kamicolo and Android 17 are equal in strength.
  • After absorbing 600,000+ Earthlings, Cell gained power exceeding that of Kamicolo and Android 17.
• Android 17's Barrier negates Piccolo's Hellzone Grenade. >18975.3486 Quettatons
  • Imperfect Cell withstands Piccolo's Light Grenade head-on and suffers zero damage.
• Via Absorption, Cell adds Android 17's power atop its own. >1.19092146 Foe
  • Even as regular Super Saiyans, Post-RoSaT Vegeta and Trunks surpass Semi-Perfect Cell.
    • In their normal forms, Vegeta and Trunks are fifty-times weaker. >569.260458 Quettatons (Star level+)
  • Super Vegeta and Second Grade SSJ Trunks are far stronger than Semi-Perfect Cell.
• Perfect Cell emerges unscathed after withstanding Super Vegeta's Lucora Gun. >2.38184292 Foe
  • Super Trunks surpasses Cell in strength.
  • The Cell Juniors possess Cell's power.
  • Post-2nd RoSaT SSJ Vegeta and Trunks can fight equally with the Cell Juniors.
    • In their normal forms, Vegeta and Trunks are fifty-times weaker. >1138.52092 Quettatons
  • Post-RoSaT Piccolo can hold off the Cell Juniors.
• Cell undergoes a Super Saiyan Third Grade-like (同様 dōyō; "identical") transformation. >119.092146 Foe (Solar System level)

Cell Games Saga (Pt. 1)​

• At half strength, SSJ Goku far surpasses the Z-Fighters, including the likes of Trunks. >4.76368584 Foe
  • In his normal form, Goku is fifty-times weaker. >2277.04184 Quettatons

World Tournament Saga​

• The East Supreme Kai, Shin, is "dimensions apart" from Piccolo. >2.38184292 Foe
  • Long story short, Gohan is stronger than Shin.
• As a Super Saiyan 2, Gohan's strength is increased by a hundred-fold. >238.184292 Foe

Babidi Saga​

• SSJ Gohan exchanges blows "evenly" with Dabura. >119.092146 Foe

Cell Games Saga (Pt. 2)​

• Despite a self-imposed limitation born of a gentle-heartedness, SSJ Gohan is stronger than Babidi Saga SSJ Gohan. >119.092146 Foe
  • Without even powering up further from the fight with Goku, Cell stomps a passive Gohan.
  • At full power, Cell far surpasses anything demonstrated prior, barring the power of a next-level Super Saiyan.
• Blinded by anger, Cell enters a Third Grade-like form again. >5.9546073 KiloFOE
  • SSJ2 Gohan two-shots Powerweighted Cell.
    • At full power, SSJ Gohan should be half as strong. >2.97730365 KiloFOE
    • In his normal form, Gohan is one-hundred-times weaker. >59.546073 Foe
  • Super Perfect Cell is more powerful than ever.

Majin Buu Saga​

• SSJ3 Goku is four-times as strong as before. >23.8184292 KiloFOE
  • Majin Buu battles equally with SSJ3 Goku.
    • Gotenks and Krillin are confident the former can defeat Majin Buu, and the Daizenshuu 7 asserts that Gotenks "seized the initiative battle", only ever losing in the end, implying he can fight back against Buu; ultimately, though, he was defeated, but survived.
• SSJ Gotenks can circle the globe "a few dozen times". >1.19092146 MegaFOE

Fusion Saga​

• Despite Piccolo believing they needed Super Saiyan based off of their previous performance, after training in the Room of Spirit and Time, Gotenks grew powerful enough that Piccolo believed he could battle Super Buu normally; ultimately, though, he needed Super Saiyan. >1.19092146 MegaFOE
• In SSJ, Gotenks is fifty-times stronger than in his normal form. >59.546073 MegaFOE
• In SSJ3, Gotenks is eight-times stronger than before. >476.368584 MegaFOE
  • Super Buu and SSJ3 Gotenks are equally matched.
  • Buutenks is stronger than Super Buu, but weaker than Ultimate Gohan yet.
  • Ultimate Gohan far surpasses the abilities of Super Saiyan 3. (requires citation)
• By absorbing Gotenks and then Gohan, Buu gains infinite power. >952.737168 MegaFOE
• By virtue of a rival boost, the fusion of Goku and Vegeta (Vegito) is more powerful than the fusion of Goku and Gohan. (requires citation) >476.368584 MegaFOE
• Super Vegito is the greatest known superpower in the universe, eclipsing the likes of Buuhan. >23.8184292 GigaFOE

i think.