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my next thread continuing from this one will cover this universal model depictions btw, let's focus on the afterlife size part for now ok?
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my next thread continuing from this one will cover this universal model depictions btw, let's focus on the afterlife size part for now ok?
Isn't the current argument literally the model depicts it as half, so it's half? Dont think ya can figure it out without doing the model stuff first.my next thread continuing from this one will cover this universal model depictions btw, let's focus on the afterlife size part for now ok?
Based on the votes, would this be fine?Agree with Afterlife being a universe: @LordGriffin1000 (agrees with a "likely" rating)
Disagree with Afterlife being a universe:
Neutral with Afterlife being a universe: @Maverick_Zero_X @DarkDragonMedeus(says that he agrees with it being universe sized and thus with it being 2-C, but has not commented on the up above scan)
And if not what should be added and removed?Note: The Macrocosms are accepted as 2-C due to containing both the Living World (DB's universe) and the Afterlife, a realm that is equal in size to the Living World (2 Universes), it being called "the cosmos" in guide books might also further support it. The Kaioshin Realm is also stated to be 1/10th the size of the macrocosm, though that on its own is not enough to justify it as a universal-structure
2 Staffs is not enough, more over 2 who agree differently (one only agrees with "likely" rating based on one scan "The cosmos title", the other on a solid rating based on other factorsBased on the votes, would this be fine?
And if not what should be added and removed?
Omega, you forgot to put DDM as agree that the other world is of Universal size, he still reaffirmed, just put it right away.Ok so you agree with a "likely 2-C"?
Omega, that's not how a crt works, everyone who agreed saw our points, just list and agree.2 Staffs is not enough, more over 2 who agree differently (one only agrees with "likely" rating based on one scan "The cosmos title", the other on a solid rating based on other factors
Also btw none of them commented on the heaven scan you put there, that was defined as talking about the anime exclussively a good few pages ago
Didn’t DDM agreed with 2-C universe?2 Staffs is not enough, more over 2 who agree differently (one only agrees with "likely" rating based on one scan "The cosmos title", the other on a solid rating based on other factors
Also btw none of them commented on the heaven scan you put there, that was defined as talking about the anime exclussively a good few pages ago
He also agreed with another world being Universal and Omega did not put himDidn’t DDM agreed with 2-C universe?
Omega, you forgot to put DDM as agree that the other world is of Universal size, he still reaffirmed, just put it right away.
Luffy.......come on man, it is right there@DarkDragonMedeus(says that he agrees with it being universe sized and thus with it being 2-C, but has not commented on the up above scan)
......when two staff agree with different conclusions.......then one of said conclusions would need to reach the 3 staff vote mark first.....that is how this worksOmega, that's not how a crt works, everyone who agreed saw our points, just list and agree.
Only one more to go before this is accepted
.......yes? are you guys.....like......my dudes, please read the OP, it is right there lolDidn’t DDM agreed with 2-C universe?
BestMGQ made one right here:Has anyone got a handy TL;DR of both sides here?
not best at tldrs but I can just sum it up. Might not encapsulate everything but I'm giving what I can.
For universal sized afterlife:
1. Referred to as "the cosmos"
2. Must be at least universal in size to fit all dead people from past to present
3. Portrayed as equal in size to living universe on the map.
4. Heaven is referred to as universal in size in a guide statement that's explicitly noted to be anime only. (This is signified by the [A])
Counterpoints to above.
1. We cannot use our own universe as a metric for something drastically different than our universe and "the cosmos" is also differentiated from the standard "normal" universe.
2. This is just underestimating how big the universe truly is and if you had to assume a size then it could only be infinite in order to fit an arbitrary amount of people from the past all the way to the distant future. We cannot reasonably assume universal size because of a very large but unknown amount of people dying.
3. We don't accept the macrocosm being to scale.
4. It's clearly differentiated from the main canon by being marked as anime only.
......when two staff agree with different conclusions.......then one of said conclusions would need to reach the 3 staff vote mark first.....that is how this works
.......yes? are you guys.....like......my dudes, please read the OP, it is right there lol
BestMGQ made one right here:
I'd also recommend looking at Chariot's replies too since he brings up good points.Has anyone got a handy TL;DR of both sides here?
Dude, stop it, he's in neutral, since he agreed with another world being the size of the Universe, just put him out there, stop your attitude.Luffy.......come on man, it is right there
Toei anime (unless you mean super anime) is not the one in question here btw since we have universe sized heaven and all.Based on the summary above, I would accept the afterlife likely or possibly being Universal in size for the Toei anime version but not for the manga continuity.
Also, the afterlife's population only ever growing isn't entirely true. Certain souls reincarnate back in the living world after they've been cleansed of memories.
This is only for bad people, those in heaven don't reincarnate, they stay there for eternityBased on the summary above, I would accept the afterlife likely or possibly being Universal in size for the Toei anime version but not for the manga continuity.
Also, the afterlife's population only ever growing isn't entirely true. Certain souls reincarnate back in the living world after they've been cleansed of memories.
Isn't the purpose of the thread to find a solution to both continuties?Toei anime (unless you mean super anime) is not the one in question here btw since we have universe sized heaven and all.
Agreed, that's why I said "certain souls".This is only for bad people, those in heaven don't reincarnate, they stay there for eternity
Toei anime cosmology is independent of composite tiering wise.Isn't the purpose of the thread to find a solution to both continuties?
So, but that's only for hell and not heaven, To be clear, it has already been confirmed several times to be the size of the Universe, two canon guides to the source material and the anime itself which contains things from Akira Toriyama and the script.Agreed, that's why I said "certain souls".
for Toei we have a literal statement of size about Heaven, but noted on the "no" for the manga continuityBased on the summary above, I would accept the afterlife likely or possibly being Universal in size for the Toei anime version but not for the manga continuity.
Also, the afterlife's population only ever growing isn't entirely true. Certain souls reincarnate back in the living world after they've been cleansed of memories.
Okay, fair enough.for Toei we have a literal statement of size about Heaven, but noted on the "no" for the manga continuity
DDM, Omega is putting you in neutral, but have you seen the scan that states heaven it says "cosmos"?
I didn't understand this part, but are you saying that afterlife continues to be the size of the Universe for the super anime version?Based on the summary above, I would accept the afterlife likely or possibly being Universal in size for the Toei anime version but not for the manga continuity.
as i said, the poll is in regards to the cosmos scan exclusively, if he didn't said anything about the scan the poll is for, then i can't add him in agree for the scan if he didn't gave an opinion about said scan...........like, the section marked there are just text, the opinions and agreements they gave is what dictates what will pass, not where one chooses to put them inDude, stop it, he's in neutral, since he agreed with another world being the size of the Universe, just put him out there, stop your attitude.
He clearly saw it, it was our first arguments, he even reaffirmed that it is the size of the Universe, I don't see why you're doing it.as i said, the poll is in regards to the cosmos scan exclusively, if he didn't said anything about the scan the poll is for, then i can't add him in agree for the scan if he didn't gave an opinion about said scan...........like, the section marked there are just text, the opinions and agreements they gave is what dictates what will pass, not where one chooses to put them in
Why am I just telling Omega to put DDM in the right place? That's no reason to, I'm just telling him to do the right thing.Frankly, at this point I'd consider warning Luffy to stop spamming the thread, and if continued, having a thread ban. It's getting ridiculous.
I will not continue after this comment. You are derailing the thread, constantly trying to get Omega in trouble, for a complete non issue he has tried to fix, despite literally doing nothing wrong. Stop it.Why am I just telling Omega to put DDM in the right place? That's no reason to, I'm just telling him to do the right thing.
source and translation?I think this part qualifies for the Universe standards, but it’s stated that the afterlife is a contrast from the living world and also that it makes up the top half of the globe of DB. Also, I think it helps support the: “The Cosmos” name.
So, I think that the afterlife fits the bill for mirroring the living world based off of this statement.
Sorry but what does it state here?I think this part qualifies for the Universe standards, but it’s stated that the afterlife is a contrast from the living world and also that it makes up the top half of the globe of DB. Also, I think it helps support the: “The Cosmos” name.
So, I think that the afterlife fits the bill for mirroring the living world based off of this statement.
Luffy, I know what you want to do, in fact we all do. However, you should stop, doing this only leaves you bad, and could hurt you in a very serious way, so, just let the staff respond and make their stance clear.Why am I just telling Omega to put DDM in the right place? That's no reason to, I'm just telling him to do the right thing.
The source of it is the super exciting guide.source and translation?
Cosmos is a common term for the universe, which I was arguing was a term that could be considered synonymous, as one of the qualifications in the universe standard.Why does it being called and treated like "a cosmos" matter, it's a non-size indicative term. I don't get it?
And that's still the model argument, which like, yeah but that's literally the point of contention.
It's also a word just for space, and 99% of the time, is what it's actually used for. And also zero correlation with expanse.Cosmos is a common term for the universe, which I was arguing was a term that could be considered synonymous, as one of the qualifications in the universe standard.
Looking at the text, I don't actually see the word for half, just "upper part".Dude how is that that the model argument? I’m arguing that it’s STATED to be the upper half. Not that I’m visually looking at it and saying it’s the upper half.
Except it most certainly isn't, even if taken literally, it still wouldn't be an exact parallel.Anyway, I think the afterlife fits the bill for being a contrast of the living world. Which is one of the qualifications in our Universe standards.
What's the sourceBtw if it helps anyone out I found a higher quality image I didn’t bother to get the rest of the scan translated.