Yes.
Ignores all the times they were shown to be literal (outside of scale) for the Super Anime’s interpretation,
So, never?
Also if they aren't to scale, then they're abstracted?
whose own universal visual makes no sense because it lacks the other dimensions.
It is what it is, get over it.
We don't even know if that's the case, the dimensional walls could be transparent too as the big ones, or maybe said dimensions to small to be visible, **** if we know, we just know what we see.
Furthermore, “a big galaxy” doesn’t explain the visual we get of the Macrocosms from the SS moment.
Retcon, non-visible, or hell, who gives a damn? It is what it is.
Also it ain't even that moment, I've found two more, maybe 3
No Galaxy was ever displayed that large,
Except then and there? What sort of argument is that? We can see a mega galaxy drawing smaller ones, RIGHT THERE. The scene itself is evidence.
also for dudes who love using guides, why are you ignoring the fact said guides also establish big galaxies.
and even then that moment’s an outlier compared to all the data I’ll list in this paragraph.
It's also the ONLY time we actually see it.
and also directly corroborates the Whis and Zeno showings, so it's actually a direct visual, and 2 supporting visuals, both in universe and the main material.
Moreover, given Toei’s Z model is the directly canon information given/uses by Toriyama, as stated by their own BtS, was used in the DBS Manga, was used as a literal visual in Kai, is supported by all the guides, and all the games, etc. etc. it would make no sense to take this moment over the literal map.
The fact it is, quite literally the only time we actually see it, ie, the single most important showing, and is supported by Whis.
Games don't mean shit.
Kai don't mean shit.
Death of the author is a thing.
Guides only matter if they don't contradict the source material.
Real-time, in-universe, literal, as is, showing of two separate universes (plus a handful of support, within the anime at least) vs. 1 not scale map in the manga and bunch of random side stuff.
Hmm...
Open secret that Toriyama’s influence on the Anime was cliff notes for the plot and left the visuals/in between up to the Anime Staff, making it not “Death of the Author” but literally you putting others above the Author.
Yeah, and? They're "the author" too, they animate the show, the decide how stuff looks, we use said stuff.
Anime canon is that now because that's what they made it.
If they backpedal later on cool, atm, it is what it is.
Fortunately, we're splitting the manga and anime, so this doesn't effect the manga.
Blatant sidestepping of the evidence we know to be factually true—Toriyama’s direct influence on the Toei model being them literally asking for canon information.
That isn't side stepping? It just doesn't matter.
No evidence of the “abstracted model” for being abstracted outside of “muh size cuz Snake Way,”
Literally means it's abstracted?
when most people are against using it TO SCALE, and rather want to use it for what IT IS, TORIYAMA’S LITERAL VISUAL FOR THE COSMOLOGY,.
Not how it works. If that isn't to scale (ie, abstracted), what's to say other parts aren't too? How would we know? Can tell you right now the World of the Kai's has issues too, so it ain't just Snake Way. What is, and isn't literal? Maybe it's just a simplified overview? How do we know?
The literal visual ***** up WotK's and snake way so...?
This is just trying to have your cake and eat it too.
While ignoring, handwaving the anime because DBS anime hates ya'll ig, even the manga has a few instances of contradictory depictions of the model.
Wonders why people are not enthused about why this revision is being pushed through—It only makes sense if you literally nitpick every factor, create mental gymnastics, inflate the logical holes, and sidestep basic conclusions and concepts, like: “Toriyama literally gave them canon info, thus it’s valid.” Or, “You can’t claim it’s abstracted when in every instance but the anime, which isn’t the primary source, had notably terrible creation conditions, is the outlier, etc. it was a completely literal visual representation outside of the scale. (Which everyone with a brain agrees with.)”
"It only makes sense if you ignore every in-universe depiction (of which there's 3-4), ignore the literal direct real-time showing, cherry-pick evidence and handwave every instance, ignore the fact the map is abstracted, and etc", yeah see I can do that too?
"Not the primary source material", it is, for the anime, manga it's own thing now apparently
Not agreeing with it, doesn't make it "notably terrible".
Kinda hard to be an outlier when it's 1 to 0 on being the only actual showing (and it's like 4-0 on contradicting the model, at least for the anime).
"Is a complete literal visual, except this part", a paradoxical claim.
Also that last bit I feel like is actively insulting towards the opposition no?
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