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So, for you the universe has only 1 galaxy as it’s showed in the video? Lmao
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Dragon Ball MWI undoing continuation thread
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So, for you the universe has only 1 galaxy as it’s showed in the video? Lmao
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You're attacking this from the wrong angle.
We shouldn't be able to see the afterlife in the universe as it's a metaphysical realm.
It would be far more worrying if we could see the clouds in these shots of the physical universe.
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Now show us the map that appears in Goku Black saga…
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And we can’t see there the Kaioshin realm, so……. (?)
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Also I'm shocked people think a manga panel can reproduce a whole macrocosm (complex structure as we can see) on scale,lol.
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Getting real tired of this argument. For people who like to use guides, why suddenly ignore them when it's convient?
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Nice one galaxy, super massive galaxies exist.
Ok.
Looking like less than 15m km boys.
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Wouldn't be hard actually, dont draw the stuff that shouldn't be visible? Or dont at all?
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This is so unserious…
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No, because it doesn't show the kingdoms.
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Getting real tired of this argument. For people who like to use guides, why suddenly ignore them when it's convient?
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Nice one galaxy, super massive galaxies exist.
Ok.
Looking like less than 15m km boys.
Now, you have a map of Toriyama's manga that shows you the realms of universe 7, and also shows you that the Afterlife is the upper half of the Living World (Toriyama's intention when drawing the map in the Afterlife Tournament saga), and now you come with a visual representation of universes 6 and 7 trying to contradict something already established? Nah, this is a serious joke.
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Man, you realize that is like, 90% of the argument right?
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This is not true, because the kingdoms are shown on every map of Universe 7 created by Akira Toriyama, this is just the observed Universe, where it does not contain the kingdoms, so they are not to scale.
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bruh just hit me with the friendly fire
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I thought that this thread was for the manga, oh well…
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Also, not picking sides here, but the argument of "they are not seen" can simply be explained by "they are too small to be seen", so i would use another argument than that to argue against Chariot's points
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Not really, because metaphysical pocket realities don't have a basis to be seen to begin with, so the argument they're too small is contingent on them being physical.
We know the afterlife makes up half the volume of the macrocosm model.
At this point in time, the argument against 2-C macrocosms is incredulity (at least for the manga).
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In fact, this is just the observed living Universe, of which there are no kingdoms shown, which contradicts Akira Toriyama's own ideas.
I'm not inventing anything, this is just the observed living Universe, which does not contain the kingdoms, just accepting that this round galaxy-shaped thing is not the true map of the total cosmology of the Universe, as far as i know, the map is still shown in the DBS guides, proving my point that it is just the observed living Universe shown in the anime
Here is the original DBS map
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kind of? Like, it was to define the changes, if the DBS manga and Anime are concluded to do different stuff then we will apply them based on said differences
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Exept that one shows a sphere while the mao shows is as a half sphere?
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A realm 1/3rd of the universe should still be bigger than a single galaxy. the visual is simply that flawed, if we go by your logic.
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Now the counter argument is the anime map that only shows galaxies, not even the realms of Universe 7? Nah you’re kidding me bro
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Not stated, not implied, literally not true either way. It's a fully formed sphere. Yet in the alleged super cool model, it's a hemisphere.
Ignoring that, no it ain't? It's straight up the universe, don't make stuff up and try to pass it off dude.
Yeah, it does contradict it. And? That's the issue, the actual material contradicts
Your point is basically "i dont like it so it's just the mortal world", as if that alone also doesn't disprove the model either way.
Can you actually show a statement where they say "hey this is uni 6 and 7" is actually "hey this is only 1/3 of them and NOT actually the uni's lol i lied" - whis and vados apparently.
DBS contradicts WotK being 100% secluded btw, like thrice.
And damn, is that a bunch of non-to scale stuff I see?
Ghengiroo115
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I’ve just been checking in every now and again for these threads to see how they’re going, however I haven’t been properly following so there’s a lot I haven’t seen. I have a couple questions though, and like I said I haven’t seen the entire thread or the entirety of previous ones so sorry if these have been brought up before:
- I’m confused on why both the Super Shenron scene and the Whis/Zeno models are being used to contradict the macrocosm map, as don’t those two models also contradict each other? Or is there something I’m missing?
- Wouldn’t the macrocosm map just be akin to a real world model of the Solar System or something, where the sizes aren’t fully to scale and the structure is simplified?
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Which it is
Ok, so where's the Kai Realm? In there? Ok. Proof?
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Not really, big swirly funny-looking galaxy in enclosed spheres. They actually corroborate each other.
You'd think, but in such a case. What is simplified, what isn't? What's to scale? What isn't? How do we know? If it's simplified, is the thing itself simplified just to convey it in an easy-to-comprehend manner? What does it actually look like? And how does that align with Point 1, either way the cosmology must align with the anime showings (WotK not being a secluded bubble off to the side, the uni as a whole being what we see in SS, etc).
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And does it need to be cited? It is shown that it is just the living Universe observed, you are seeing a huge galaxy, representing the entire Universe, sometimes you don't need quotes to understand something simple like this.
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What? You asking where the planet is, in a sphere containing galaxies? It ain't visible dude? As it should be?
Man you realize shit being visible when it shouldn't is half the reason the model sucks right?
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Which it is
Okay, but where are the other realms like the afterlife and the Kaioshin realm? None of this refutes our point, just the observed living Universe.
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Yes.
Actually, we're seeing a super massive galaxy, surrounded by probably more super massive galaxies, representing (not even, it IS, straight up) uni 7 and 6.
So yes. statement, headcanon need not apply.
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It's really not a good argument, I've proven that this is just the living Universe and you're just talking, could you show me where the other realms are?
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I pointed that out too. But then apparently this example doesn’t hold up, according to Omega and Chariot.
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Who knows maybe they're tiny compared to the mortal realm, maybe the dimensional walls transparent much like the uh, dimensional walls we see in that very scene? Maybe it's retconned. Maybe the anime just went and did its own thing.
Don't know, don't care, all I know is that it's the only actual time we see the universe without fluff and abstraction.
Or maybe they're just a part of it? Like WotK? We get like 3-4 zooms out in Super showing that alone, in the anime it def ain't enclosed
Do you not understand what this CRT is even about?
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I don't know how he is trying something like that, since the Universe is represented by the living Universe, another world, and the world of the kaioshins, which this map does not contain in any way.
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Apparently DBS anime forgot those realms……. which appeared in Goku Vs Beerus fight…
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Dude, I'm not going to repeat the same points with you.Who knows maybe they're tiny compared to the mortal realm, maybe the dimensional walls transparent much like the uh, dimensional walls we see in that very scene? Maybe it's retconned. Maybe the anime just went and did its own thing.
Don't know, don't care, all I know is that it's the only actual time we see the universe without fluff and abstraction.
Or maybe they're just a part of it? Like WotK? We get like 3-4 zooms out in Super showing that alone, in the anime it def ain't enclosed
Do you not understand what this CRT is even about?
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It isn't a map, it is literally Universe 6 and 7 in real time, zoomed out, interacting with Super Shenron.
The sole, single, time, in DB where we see the universe, without a map, abstraction, or whatever, it ain't exposition like Whis'. It's quite literally the most important scene in regards to what they look like.
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He asking about the kaioshin realm you know the place which is one tenth of the universe if small galaxies are visible then a structure which is 1/10 of a size should be visible to
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This thread is about Afterlife low 2-C as well, and it seems that you don’t have any good counter argument about that…Who knows maybe they're tiny compared to the mortal realm, maybe the dimensional walls transparent much like the uh, dimensional walls we see in that very scene? Maybe it's retconned. Maybe the anime just went and did its own thing.
Don't know, don't care, all I know is that it's the only actual time we see the universe without fluff and abstraction.
Or maybe they're just a part of it? Like WotK? We get like 3-4 zooms out in Super showing that alone, in the anime it def ain't enclosed
Do you not understand what this CRT is even about?
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In it? At least in the DBS anime. We see a few times panning shots through space, leading to the Kai realm. It evidently, is not, enclosed in its own sphere with the mortal world behind a big ass wall
Idk about the manga tho, dont remember scenes like that
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