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my next thread continuing from this one will cover this universal model depictions btw, let's focus on the afterlife size part for now ok?
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Dragon Ball MWI undoing continuation thread
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Isn't the current argument literally the model depicts it as half, so it's half? Dont think ya can figure it out without doing the model stuff first.
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Oh, I haven’t said it yet, but while I still think the Afterlife is Uni size (again, Toriyama directly contributed to Toei Cosmology in the Afterlife-Buu Sagas with his CANON info, meaning that’s should be treated as objectively canon and valid for cosmology, as mentioned {and dismissed via reasoning I really don’t think means anything} before), but I vehemently disagree with using the model’s visual imagery as a “to scale” way to demonstrate sizes. It doesn’t suddenly become valid to maintain 2-C, and I was against it in a prior thread so it shouldn’t be a surprise here.
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Based on the votes, would this be fine?
And if not what should be added and removed?
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2 Staffs is not enough, more over 2 who agree differently (one only agrees with "likely" rating based on one scan "The cosmos title", the other on a solid rating based on other factors
Also btw none of them commented on the heaven scan you put there, that was defined as talking about the anime exclussively a good few pages ago
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Has anyone got a handy TL;DR of both sides here?
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Omega, you forgot to put DDM as agree that the other world is of Universal size, he still reaffirmed, just put it right away.
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Omega, that's not how a crt works, everyone who agreed saw our points, just list and agree.
Only one more to go before this is accepted
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Didn’t DDM agreed with 2-C universe?
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He also agreed with another world being Universal and Omega did not put himDidn’t DDM agreed with 2-C universe?
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Luffy.......come on man, it is right there
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......when two staff agree with different conclusions.......then one of said conclusions would need to reach the 3 staff vote mark first.....that is how this works
.......yes? are you guys.....like......my dudes, please read the OP, it is right there lolDidn’t DDM agreed with 2-C universe?
BestMGQ made one right here:
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I'd also recommend looking at Chariot's replies too since he brings up good points.
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Dude, stop it, he's in neutral, since he agreed with another world being the size of the Universe, just put him out there, stop your attitude.
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Based on the summary above, I would accept the afterlife likely or possibly being Universal in size for the Toei anime version but not for the manga continuity.
Also, the afterlife's population only ever growing isn't entirely true. Certain souls reincarnate back in the living world after they've been cleansed of memories.
Also, the afterlife's population only ever growing isn't entirely true. Certain souls reincarnate back in the living world after they've been cleansed of memories.
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Toei anime (unless you mean super anime) is not the one in question here btw since we have universe sized heaven and all.
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This is only for bad people, those in heaven don't reincarnate, they stay there for eternity
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Isn't the purpose of the thread to find a solution to both continuties?
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Agreed, that's why I said "certain souls".
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Toei anime cosmology is independent of composite tiering wise.
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So, but that's only for hell and not heaven, To be clear, it has already been confirmed several times to be the size of the Universe, two canon guides to the source material and the anime itself which contains things from Akira Toriyama and the script.
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for Toei we have a literal statement of size about Heaven, but noted on the "no" for the manga continuity
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Okay, fair enough.
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DDM, Omega is putting you in neutral, but have you seen the scan that states heaven it says "cosmos"?
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I didn't understand this part, but are you saying that afterlife continues to be the size of the Universe for the super anime version?
For Toei it is clearly Universal, if we were talking about DBZ animation
What do I understand?
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as i said, the poll is in regards to the cosmos scan exclusively, if he didn't said anything about the scan the poll is for, then i can't add him in agree for the scan if he didn't gave an opinion about said scan...........like, the section marked there are just text, the opinions and agreements they gave is what dictates what will pass, not where one chooses to put them in
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He clearly saw it, it was our first arguments, he even reaffirmed that it is the size of the Universe, I don't see why you're doing it.
And he also liked the comment on the image saying "cosmos", just stop doing these things.
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Frankly, at this point I'd consider warning Luffy to stop spamming the thread, and if continued, having a thread ban. It's getting ridiculous.
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Why am I just telling Omega to put DDM in the right place? That's no reason to, I'm just telling him to do the right thing.
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I will not continue after this comment. You are derailing the thread, constantly trying to get Omega in trouble, for a complete non issue he has tried to fix, despite literally doing nothing wrong. Stop it.
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Luffy, cut it out. You're just making yourself look bad.
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I think I actually looked at the specific scan. The one that calls the "Living Universe the Universe and the Afterlife the Cosmos". While I don't really understand what really makes any major changes other than it is shown Otherworld still existing side by side with the Living Universe. Also, some people are taking a few things I agreed out of context, I agree that some of the visual components inside the realms such as Snake Way not being properly drawn to scale or Earth looking larger by comparison compared to the Universe map. But the body of spaces themselves can still be relatively compared to the other body of space; as in the entirety of Living Universe vs Entirety of Otherworld being compared to each other.
I didn't really comment sooner because it looked mostly the same as other visual depictions albeit with different people having different interpretations from each other, and some wording being a bit more loose compared to other examples I have seen before.
I didn't really comment sooner because it looked mostly the same as other visual depictions albeit with different people having different interpretations from each other, and some wording being a bit more loose compared to other examples I have seen before.
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So, I think that the afterlife fits the bill for mirroring the living world based off of this statement.
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source and translation?I think this part qualifies for the Universe standards, but it’s stated that the afterlife is a contrast from the living world and also that it makes up the top half of the globe of DB. Also, I think it helps support the: “The Cosmos” name.
So, I think that the afterlife fits the bill for mirroring the living world based off of this statement.
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Sorry but what does it state here?
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Why does it being called and treated like "a cosmos" matter, it's a non-size indicative term. I don't get it?
And that's still the model argument, which like, yeah but that's literally the point of contention.
And that's still the model argument, which like, yeah but that's literally the point of contention.
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Luffy, I know what you want to do, in fact we all do. However, you should stop, doing this only leaves you bad, and could hurt you in a very serious way, so, just let the staff respond and make their stance clear.
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The source of it is the super exciting guide.
The translation is pretty much this:
“A mysterious world that contrasts with the human world. A special place that only the dead and those in heaven can enter. The people in heaven who are in the position of managing this world are always keeping an eye on the situation in this world.
◆ The upper half of the huge globe is the heavenly world.”
Cosmos is a common term for the universe, which I was arguing was a term that could be considered synonymous, as one of the qualifications in the universe standard.
Dude how is that that the model argument? I’m arguing that it’s STATED to be the upper half. Not that I’m visually looking at it and saying it’s the upper half.
Anyway, I think the afterlife fits the bill for being a contrast of the living world. Which is one of the qualifications in our Universe standards.
Btw if it helps anyone out I found a higher quality image I didn’t bother to get the rest of the scan translated.
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I don't think "contrast" here means what I think you're trying to imply it means by bolding it. That being said, I suppose the "upper half" of the globe might indicate it has the same volume as the universe.
So all in all, I'm ok with 2-C (2 universes) for manga due to afterlife + WotL + no concept of spacetime between dimensions in the universe.
So all in all, I'm ok with 2-C (2 universes) for manga due to afterlife + WotL + no concept of spacetime between dimensions in the universe.
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It's also a word just for space, and 99% of the time, is what it's actually used for. And also zero correlation with expanse.
Looking at the text, I don't actually see the word for half, just "upper part".
"上部"
Except it most certainly isn't, even if taken literally, it still wouldn't be an exact parallel.
What's the source
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