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is there any statements of the afterlife being another space time? or do we only have for it being another dimension?
we don't consider infinite universe in the current justification, no
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Dragon Ball MWI undoing continuation thread
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Countless galaxies, countless nebulaes and countless planets was also rejected?
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I don't see how that affects our understanding of the baseline standard for the size of a universe. "Countless" means we can't count them, they're an unquantifiable factor; it just means the Living World is probably a lot larger.
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No, because that is what the Universe contains, him saying something that was rejected in this case must be a lie.
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Just calcing the bog feat
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It was concluded in the downgrade thread that the kanji for countless doesn't relate to "infinite" just a lot
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I do want to point out that the HTC logic based on potential future standards (spatial size being irrelevant to the temporal snapshots, because…well, that’s exactly how it works), would not make it 3 if accepted, because there are at least 3 different HTCs. Frieza’s, Earth’s, and the one Merus showed us on that Desert Planet. So it’d be more like 5 or 6. (Living World, World of The Kai’s, the Afterlife {in Contention}, and the 3 RoSaT.)
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only 1-tenth if all the statements about the Afterlife being universal in size do truly only talk about in the toei anime version
Demon Realm is not considered Universal in size, it is even called small when compared to the universe a "hideout"
that statement says that the barrier has a "weirdly engraved design" which would point to it being a physical barrier.....so
do we know if the ones from the ROSAT apply to all dimensions? because the statement above would suggest that they are different since this one is not physical but the one above seems to suggest it is
this......doesn't say that the dimensional barriers are space time tho, this is saying that distorting space time can break them........which duh, distorting space time breaks a lot of things
let's leave the calcs for after we define a number to the size of the realms, after that i will calc it myself and make a calc group discussion thread to discuss it
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I'm not too sure, Goku refers to the dimension he went with Merus in as just "oh the room of spirit and time" not "a" but "the" (Maybe Viz flunked it but it's what we got). The entrance in Kami's look out, the one in the Moro arc and the one Frieza went to can just be gateways to the same dimension
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They can’t. At least Merus and Earth’s can’t. Merus’ room is 3 days per 1 day, (which Goku even comments is surprisingly low, based on his own experience), and Earth’s is 1 year per day. Frieza’s time frame is unknown, but he fit 10 years in an unknown timeframe, so potentially much larger.
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it’s a visual description of the map that Toriyama made, however, the point that reinforces that this wall is not physical is that it cannot be crossed to the Afterlife through a normal travel. You don't think that if it were a physical barrier, it could be crossed simply, without resorting to Instant Transmission? Added to the fact that it’s a totally separate world.
“In the world surrounded by sphere, the Heaven (in this case Afterlife) where the gods live and the human universe are separated”
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Yeah fair ngl
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doesn't change that it is the description given to the said barrier between the afterlife and the living world, being sealed from one another would allow them to not be possible to travel between them as well for example, so the mere fact of travel alone wouldn't contradicted this seeminly mention of a literal physical barrier
they would be separate either way be it physically or not, but i am not arguing strongly that it is a physical separation, only pointing out the weird statement it was to be used for a supposedly "space time barrier" as luffy was arguing
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Then what would this make Beerus and Champa's feat? Surely we can't say Universe 6 has the same amount of space-times, only that it also has the afterlife and living world
so it'd be: Uni7's living world, Uni7's afterlife, Uni6's living world, Uni6's afterlife, the lookout's RoSaT, the pyramid RoSaT and Frieza's RoSaT (7 Universes)
so it'd be: Uni7's living world, Uni7's afterlife, Uni6's living world, Uni6's afterlife, the lookout's RoSaT, the pyramid RoSaT and Frieza's RoSaT (7 Universes)
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The Low 2-C pocket dimension standard has yet to be accepted.
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Don't forget the dimension similar to the room of time where Goku feels the presence of a God, Whis sends them there, this dimension is below Beerus' planet.
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Doesn't mean we can't talk about what could happen if it does get accepted
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The one in Whis' staff?
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Going on what we know, in Moro he hadn’t yet found the HTC. He’s still actively looking and conquering. It’s been a few months between arcs, (we don’t know when he found out about the HTC) but we know Frieza’s not out yet because he wasn’t in the Wish Parameters for Granolah, and he also wasn’t out when Gas was Wished to be the strongest. If you take it as harshly as possible, saying it took all ~3 months to get those 10 years, that’s about the same as Merus’ HTC (3.3 days per day, if my math is right). But that’s an incredible lowball, and it’s likely that Frieza took substantially less time to get his 10 years, and thus is a third dimension.
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The Dragon Ball Discussion Thread exists for a reason then
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In fact, this crt to talk about Universe 2-C, so any argument is valid.
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Not for a standard that isn't even accepted yet
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Yeah, why waste time discussing a hypothetical when we can discuss the current subject and then address new findings later?
I mean, I know the answer, but let's pretend it's not that.
I mean, I know the answer, but let's pretend it's not that.
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Staying on the current subject? There's one thing we're good at in these cosmology threads and it's doing the opposite of that
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Dimensional barriers doesn’t automatically make it space-time barriers. It just by default indicates spatial separation.
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Stay on topic.
Anyway, neutral on this for now.
Anyway, neutral on this for now.
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Also, I want to point out that the Demon World’s appearance is identical to that of the mortal universe as the “reverse side.” Make of that what you will.
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I am still in agreement with 2-C U7 and those parallel to it via Heaven having a spatio-temporal separation from the Living Universe.
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This is the current situation so far (people who agree with cosmology continuing to be 2-C through guides that contain material from Akira Toriyama)
Agree: @DarkDragonMedeus
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Neutral: @Maverick_Zero_X
Agree: @DarkDragonMedeus
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Neutral: @Maverick_Zero_X
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In fact, this was discussed here, since they are space-time barriers of the Universe
DB Toei - About Buuhan's Tier 2 rating
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The Kaioshin Realm shouldn't be counted as an universe even from TOEI tbh, given that Observable Universe size is the minimal needed here.
1/10th of the universe would instantly disqualify it as such, meaning that both Canon and Toei would be 2-C structures, yes, but just 2 universes instead of 3.
1/10th of the universe would instantly disqualify it as such, meaning that both Canon and Toei would be 2-C structures, yes, but just 2 universes instead of 3.
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Better than nothing, bro
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The original text is "裏の姿としての魔界が存在する", or "...the Demon World exists as the underside" [or hidden side/inverse side].
The word being translated as "appearance" is 姿, which largely refers to a state of being, rather than a description of physical appearance.
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Agree with this
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The afterlife in Toeiverse has an accepted size that is extremely massive due to being way larger than heaven which is equal to the universe, which upscales the Kaioshin realm to being larger than the universe
DBS Battle of Gods speed recalc
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This is because toei actually has context for this.In fact, this was discussed here, since they are space-time barriers of the Universe
DB Toei - About Buuhan's Tier 2 rating
Hi all. So, by pure chance, I found that we have a profile for Majin Buu from the Toei Continuity. More importantly I also noticed we now finally use this feat: Low Multiverse level Environmental Destruction with Outside Space (Warps space and rips through the wall between dimensions, which...vsbattles.com
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Actually, canon too.
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