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Dragon Ball: Infinite Universe
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if there are so many staff neutrals then it can have a possible rating, no?
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We are waiting and that's the final say.
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I now disagree with infinite universe for Super since shenron's statement was only available in the Dubbed version. In the Japanese version ,it says "space is vast". That's it.
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There is DBGT statement is there which is coming from narrator himself. And as it is canon, it would still work as primary support for all other secondary sources.
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Uh, all of these arguments has been addressed in the previous crt except super shenron which was yeah mistranslation, regardless the primary source that supports the guidebook statements regarding infinite Universe was shown in DBGT ep 2 by narrator.
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Just read through it, but a lot of it seems to be translation gimmicks, some of which don't even make sense. Like, he takes the phrase "endless expanse" as figurative without ever actually explaining why it's figurative and why it can't possibly be literal
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Sans015 asked me to submit a translation request to the other staff to determine the most accurate translation.
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The translations are exactly same except supershenron one and is done by @Executor_N0, it's mostly about his argument that the use of endless, infinite is flowery.
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"Sometimes people use infinite poetically while talking about something completely different contextually to here like emotions, this justifies my muh poetry with no coherent reason why cope" yeah that isn't too convincing of a refute.
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Yeah and the light/galactic illuminations was already explained here
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Wait was that actually what he said?
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according to herms its poetic
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When it comes to size of Universe there is theoretically only 2 suggested size.
It's a scan for observable Universe, which has been mentioned in the OP to specifically not support infinite Universe, so i don't see why it matters to have any translation. Koyama is Japanese as well and has worked in Dragonball, as per his translation, of the scans presented in the OP for infinite Universe, it's legit. Beware i am not using WOG but a fluent Japanese speaker.
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It's a scan for observable Universe, which has been mentioned in the OP to specifically not support infinite Universe, so i don't see why it matters to have any translation. Koyama is Japanese as well and has worked in Dragonball, as per his translation, of the scans presented in the OP for infinite Universe, it's legit. Beware i am not using WOG but a fluent Japanese speaker.
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Comparing literary hyperboles about emotional depth to an informative guidebook description is actually laughable.
And above that part, the "context" this dude argues for why it's apparently being poetic is arbitrary nonsense like "oh no it mentions light and darkness and the universe containing the unknown (when these can be taken quite literally and have no bearing on the infinite line)" comparing philosophical novels using metaphors for character emotions to argue an informative guidebook about a kids show giving straightforward expository information was apparently actually trying to convey deep thought provoking metaphorical poetry.
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Poetic doesn't automatically non literal and poetry often talks quite literally with just an aesthetic way of wording something, on it's own it's just an argument of the kind of diction used.
<Number drops specific values like thousands and millions and uses scientific terms like light years in the same sentence
What part of a phrase like this sounds actually non-literal or hyperbolic in any way?
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That is fair, I can't really be a spokes person for banned users so it will be a one time thing. Anyway, want to hear Firestorm's input but I'm leaning more so towards agreeing overall now.
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These arguments are horrible, every time it comes to DB statements, its "flowery" or "poetic" its the same thing people denied 2-C Gt for so long, its not a good argument and is just used as an excuse to cope and deny the real mountains of evidence we have given, no actually counter arguments, just semantics, they have nothing to stand on. And this has all been addressed countless times in this and other threads.
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It's fine. Calm down jiren.
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I'm gonna meditate
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Everybody gangsta till Jiren pulls up to the Dragon Ball crt thread
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I'm pretty skeptical about using a source from DBGT to upgrade the rest of the Dragon Ball franchise like Dragon Ball Super.
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They have the same cosmology, just from different timelines.
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And js, dbs has the same universe tht has a observable(infintely exspanding ) nd unobservable(infinite space) aspect of its universe.
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That's understandable but we have been following composite cosmology for dragonball since long if the given series are canon to each other. Just as how Z cosmology directly be used for GT. There are secondary source materials to confirm that the given composite idea behind Infinite Universe isn't wrong.
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Honestly none fr fr
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GT is a sequel to Z so using the same cosmology as it makes sense, but Super is not a sequel to GT.
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Doesn't have to be sequel, it still has the same cosmology.
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But Super its still a sequel to Z.
So if we assume that DBGT's universe has the same cosmology as DBZ/Manga then it can be argue that the cosmology can be apply to DBS's universe.
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Not quite what I meant; using stuff from Z in GT makes sense to me. Backscaling stuff from GT to Z, and then to Super does not make sense to me.
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But it's the same cosmology dawg
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According to who? There's no law preventing them from being different to each other.
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