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Here's the arguments against those abilities.
The Dark Shenron being able to warp causality and fate itself for causing space time divisions is not elaborated beyond "these warriors couldn't originally exist", which does not in any way shape or form imply their fates itself was literally warped to give these characters powers not shown before. The main crux of the argument is Bardock showing up at random getting SSJ4, something that contradicts Dark Shenron's prior showings where Bardock asked the dragon to push his powers to the limit, and all he gets is SSJ3. So DS couldn't even have enough power to grant Bardock the best Saiyan transformation possible for anyone in his race to achieve, but this random event where he causes space-time divisions somehow meant Dark Shenron was warping fate and causality to give Bardock SSJ4, as opposed to this either being a Bardock made from scratch since this is not elaborated any further, meaning granting these abilities to dark ki users, especially Dark Shenron when he couldn't grant Bardock SSJ4 despite asking for a wish contradicts this ability. Side tangent but a lot of characters in the games for some reason have causality and fate hax on their pages for affecting an entire timeline, which is never once a thing we've accepted for anyone on the wiki, especially since we need more evidence they warp causality and fate itself.
The Information and Concept abilities is fundamentally flawed as the latter relies on "evil exists in the world" meaning it's a concept, with the only examples being evil energy, and it's shown inside the time scrolls which essentially has everything on a singular timeline; and the fact that the time bird is a thing and is argued to be a concept which isn't true because he's only stated to govern time, and has no statements of being literal time itself, or that it's immortal so long as the concept of time exists, or that it has no true physical form and relies on avatars to represent itself (stuff that's required for someone to be a literal abstract concept), and the former is argued for the reason that there's a tokipedia, a computer that records things like time rifts which are stated to not be recorded inside the time scrolls itself btw. destroying these scrolls somehow equates to having Concept type 1 and information hax type 2. Despite the former not even proven to have concepts that exist outside of the realities they govern, let alone anything to prove they are warping and controlling concepts. And information hax just because a replica scroll which is a literal computer, something the time scrolls aren't, having data somehow means the characters literally control information itself, despite no evidence that the characters can control either at will, or the fact the time scrolls lack any and all showings of not having a physical form, or being literal concepts and information, as the entire point is "they nuke the timelines, so evil, time and the records (not in the time scrolls) are nuked". Which by this logic, literally every single tier 2 and higher being would have concept hax and information hax for nuking a timeline just because these things are a thing in their worlds. The only arguments they have is a character needing more power to destroy the scrolls, despite the scans showing that he's being opposed by the time patrol and fails to beat them, and that he made an AI to help him, which the scans literally refer him as brawns to his brain. Nothing in these scans remotely imply that he needs the abilities to control concepts and information to destroy the time scrolls at all, just that he needs more power to beat the time patrol and get the scrolls for himself.
The Dark Shenron being able to warp causality and fate itself for causing space time divisions is not elaborated beyond "these warriors couldn't originally exist", which does not in any way shape or form imply their fates itself was literally warped to give these characters powers not shown before. The main crux of the argument is Bardock showing up at random getting SSJ4, something that contradicts Dark Shenron's prior showings where Bardock asked the dragon to push his powers to the limit, and all he gets is SSJ3. So DS couldn't even have enough power to grant Bardock the best Saiyan transformation possible for anyone in his race to achieve, but this random event where he causes space-time divisions somehow meant Dark Shenron was warping fate and causality to give Bardock SSJ4, as opposed to this either being a Bardock made from scratch since this is not elaborated any further, meaning granting these abilities to dark ki users, especially Dark Shenron when he couldn't grant Bardock SSJ4 despite asking for a wish contradicts this ability. Side tangent but a lot of characters in the games for some reason have causality and fate hax on their pages for affecting an entire timeline, which is never once a thing we've accepted for anyone on the wiki, especially since we need more evidence they warp causality and fate itself.
The Information and Concept abilities is fundamentally flawed as the latter relies on "evil exists in the world" meaning it's a concept, with the only examples being evil energy, and it's shown inside the time scrolls which essentially has everything on a singular timeline; and the fact that the time bird is a thing and is argued to be a concept which isn't true because he's only stated to govern time, and has no statements of being literal time itself, or that it's immortal so long as the concept of time exists, or that it has no true physical form and relies on avatars to represent itself (stuff that's required for someone to be a literal abstract concept), and the former is argued for the reason that there's a tokipedia, a computer that records things like time rifts which are stated to not be recorded inside the time scrolls itself btw. destroying these scrolls somehow equates to having Concept type 1 and information hax type 2. Despite the former not even proven to have concepts that exist outside of the realities they govern, let alone anything to prove they are warping and controlling concepts. And information hax just because a replica scroll which is a literal computer, something the time scrolls aren't, having data somehow means the characters literally control information itself, despite no evidence that the characters can control either at will, or the fact the time scrolls lack any and all showings of not having a physical form, or being literal concepts and information, as the entire point is "they nuke the timelines, so evil, time and the records (not in the time scrolls) are nuked". Which by this logic, literally every single tier 2 and higher being would have concept hax and information hax for nuking a timeline just because these things are a thing in their worlds. The only arguments they have is a character needing more power to destroy the scrolls, despite the scans showing that he's being opposed by the time patrol and fails to beat them, and that he made an AI to help him, which the scans literally refer him as brawns to his brain. Nothing in these scans remotely imply that he needs the abilities to control concepts and information to destroy the time scrolls at all, just that he needs more power to beat the time patrol and get the scrolls for himself.
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