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Dragon Ball Heroes: Cosmological Review

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Well, as the title says, this is a cosmological review of Dragon Ball h heroes, aiming to increase cosmology to low 1-C/5-D.

CRACK OF TIME

•Beyond space-time

Towa mentions that the crack of time is the space that contains and separates the dimensions, that is, basically an upper space that contains 4-D structures, and they see these same structures as finite from the perspective of Crack of time.


Chronoa states that Crack of Time is a separate location from the time dimension. That is, separated from the fourth dimension. And as we know, the dimension of time from the perspective of Crack of time, it is finite and three-dimensional.


It was stated that the mechikabura was sealed in a space beyond time.


Even the destruction of a 2-A multiverse, still no crack of time damage was mentioned or visually demonstrated.


Demigra stated that Chronoa and the mechikabura were sealed outside of time. And later we see the labyrinth of time outside the dimensions in Crack of time.

The planetary prison volume 2 extra stated that the Fu transcended space-time, due to the fact that the Fu cut through space-time and entered the time rift. https://imgur.com/a/gAhVbeS

•Contains the multiverse

The crack of time, in addition to transcending space and time, also contains all the infinite stories that exist https://imgur.com/a/UkbpnZs and do not exist, in the form of small crystals. https://imgur.com/a/DMaFa7t

•Infinite 4-D structures are finite and three-dimensional in Crack of time

In all the dbh media that Crack of time appears, the stories/space-time in Crack of time's perspective are finite and three-dimensional, having a varied size, but visually the size of buildings and others even smaller than ordinary humans.
•xenoverse:https://imgur.com/a/CC96uV1
•manga:https://imgur.com/a/QFifPPM
•gdm:https://imgur.com/a/ZFsYDx8

•"humans" when entering the crack of time become larger than the space-time continuum of a story

From the perspective of Crack of time, a four-dimensional structure (universe Fu) is smaller than an arm. This distorted sphere is nothing more than a universe created by the universe tree. https://imgur.com/a/0jJKsMt

Perhaps some argue that this is actually the seed of the universe, not the universe itself. But this is actually wrong, as this was actually the universe after the universe tree hatched. When he hatched from the tree, a light sucked the warriors out of the time rift and sent them into this universe.
https://imgur.com/a/wtMoXYg In addition to the tree seed being different visually when we see it in the universal conflict saga. https://imgur.com/a/vmHsZAA

You can argue that this place where they were fighting was not Crack of time, but any place. However, this is denied in the manga itself, where it states that the place where the universe tree was, was the Crack of time. https://imgur.com/a/5m3DH5u In Sdbh's guide it was also stated that the universe tree is located at Crack of time. https://imgur.com/a/0lbKPb3 it has also been stated that it is located at crack of time by the official carddass website. https://imgur.com/a/EqBy763

•unreachable

While within a timeline, even the highest in the cosmic hierarchy like the gods, angels and Super Shelong, still couldn't do anything with anything located in the crack of time. https://imgur.com/a/0lbKPb3 We can see that, no being is able to affect the crack of time (while within a timeline) when the super shelong itself could only erase the roots of the universe tree, and not her full body that was on the crack of time. https://imgur.com/a/vOzBAGg

•super-dimensional and hyperdimensional

V-Jump magazine stated that the crack of time is a super dimensional space. https://imgur.com/a/8u6zNk1 well, you can claim that statement is meaningless and not referring to any structure, but that's wrong, since it's a god mission 10 magazine, where the final battle takes place in the crack of time. https://imgur.com/a/bSp0JjS Anyway, I don't 100% agree with this argument because I think the translation is wrong. Removing this contrast, the statement can be used as an extra argument.

In the big bang mission, the cover of chapter 14 cites the fight as: "hyperdimension battle". the phrase is somewhat ambiguous, meaning that it is a battle with hyperdimensional proportions, or that it is a battle that takes place in the hyperdimension, which would make sense, since the confrontations took place at the dawn of time. https://imgur.com/a/ah4eCQi

In ultra god mission, the narrator states that the warriors fighting in the tournament have transcended space-time to arrive at the tournament's location. https://imgur.com/a/OqAbIB0 This is consistent with the fact that Sdbh's own twitter page states that it is a location beyond space-time. And in that same post, the text cites the tournament as superdimensional. https://imgur.com/a/4ei4VRJ And we know that this place is crack of time by the description, and by the background of the place, where we can see the starry sky of crack of time. https://imgur.com/a/u2z1sLX

VOTING

Agree: @LuffyRuffy46307 @Reiner @Dagoth_OwO @Aachintya31 @Quantu @godofice @Braking @LordGriffin1000 (possibly Low 1-C) @DarkDragonMedeus (possibly Low 1-C) @Apex_Predator_GX (possibly Low 1-C)

disagree:

Neutral: @Elizhaa
 
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Anyway;

  • The Crack of Time is demonstrably not a spatiotemporal dimension so it being separate from the time dimension wouldn't mean anything.
  • Being "beyond space and time" doesn't mean anything without context and in this case largely seems to refer to just being outside of them.
  • Being called super-dimensional and hyper-dimensional are similarly pointless in a setting where universe and dimension can be used interchangeably.
  • Representing timelines as small objects for visualization purposes isn't a tierable feat unless we get further elaboration as to their nature. It'd at the very most just mean the Crack is larger than the multiverse to an unknown.

That seems to be the sum total of the arguments we've heard ad nauseam here.
 
Crack of time: A space that contains infinite numbers of timelines as nothing more than crystals in it even smaller than humans and stated to transcend time/space.

If visual representation and statement combined taken as literal then it's indeed Low 1C. But I can see that we don't take visual representation Alone as concrete proof, however it seems kind of obvious and consistent to various mediums and moments. So, i agree.
 
Planck69 said:
Anyway;

  • The Crack of Time is demonstrably not a spatiotemporal dimension so it being separate from the time dimension wouldn't mean anything.
  • Being "beyond space and time" doesn't mean anything without context and in this case largely seems to refer to just being outside of them.
  • Being called super-dimensional and hyper-dimensional are similarly pointless in a setting where universe and dimension can be used interchangeably.
  • Representing timelines as small objects for visualization purposes isn't a tierable feat unless we get further elaboration as to their nature. It'd at the very most just mean the Crack is larger than the multiverse to an unknown.

That seems to be the sum total of the arguments we've heard ad nauseam here.
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No, in anime it is always described as a space-time where all the stories are contained, and from the perspective of someone who is on the crack of time, these same stories can be even smaller bodily limbs.

I don't understand why you say that beyond and outside are different things, both having the same meaning. In this case, it is to go beyond the four dimensions. Besides, as I've shown, he's beyond, not just outside, as the demon realm itself is outside the flow of time, but still below the crack of time.

I agree with you, however, this is a totally different scenario, where the crack of time has always been represented as being a higher dimension than the entire multiverse. The hyperdimensional and superdimensional suit are only being used to reinforce the above statements.

They are not crystals for visualization purposes. This is totally headcanon of yours as we always see the crystals being the worlds. When we crack space-time, we always see the outside, or the crack of time. Crystals are literally all worlds.
 
It's a space that contains countless timelines, of course it'll dwarf them.

Most of this is once again, drivel that's been peddled as Low 1-C countless times.
 
Planck69 said:
  • The Crack of Time is demonstrably not a spatiotemporal dimension so it being separate from the time dimension wouldn't mean anything.
  • Being "beyond space and time" doesn't mean anything without context and in this case largely seems to refer to just being outside of them.
  • Being called super-dimensional and hyper-dimensional are similarly pointless in a setting where universe and dimension can be used interchangeably.
  • Representing timelines as small objects for visualization purposes isn't a tierable feat unless we get further elaboration as to their nature. It'd at the very most just mean the Crack is larger than the multiverse to an unknown.
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Gonna sleep soon, but if you don't mind allow me to correct some informations
1. Crack of Time is actually called Super Space-time in japanese, its word is 超時空, which in Romaji is: Chō Jikū, translated as Space-time, most of the time in japanese space-time also refer to as dimension, and back. However, Dimension in Romaji is: Jigen

2. If you isolated the statement alone, then sure, it mean nothing, because you literally cut it from contexts, it was stated to be outside of time and the multiverse entirely, contain them and all powerful, godly being can't reach them with their power, implying some sort of superiority of it over the multiverse. The scan about it being super space-time, also implying its superiority, as normal space-time, timeline is refer to as usual space-time, CoT is called to be a Super one. Superior than 2-A is Low 1-C from what i known of standards

3. I see your point, and it is not really wrong, however, like above, in context, dimension of the verse = space-time, so hyperdimension, superdimension = hyper space-time, super space-time. Now plus my point 1 from above, i think i clear this confusion

4. Sure, i also understand this point, however, the verse repeatedly do this, which you can see from OP's post, as in his Universe Tree scan, the entire can hold multiples space-time, yet they just as small as a tree fruit, and the tree, as the name implied, yet is just a tree comparing to CoT. Lastly, from your comment, you said that CoT is larger than the multiverse, however, the multiverse is a 2-A one, which is countable infinite, the Crack of Time is larger, thus it is uncountable infinite, uncountable infinite 4D is 5D = Low 1-C

anyway, i'm going to sleep now
 
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Planck69 said:
It's a space that contains countless timelines, of course it'll dwarf them.

Most of this is once again, drivel that's been peddled as Low 1-C countless times.
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that's right, it's a larger space that contains all the infinite worlds and consequently makes them seem finite. And according to ultima reality itself, our current standards accept this description as low 1-C.
 
Irineu said:
that's right, it's a larger space that contains all the infinite worlds and consequently makes them seem finite. And according to ultima reality itself, our current standards accept this description as low 1-C.
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I'd be happy to have Ultima explain how this is Low 1-C to me once he comments on this thread then.

Until then, stop using his name as some sort of safety talisman. I say this generally.
 
Planck69 said:
I'd be happy to have Ultima explain how this is Low 1-C to me once he comments on this thread then.

Until then, stop using his name as some sort of safety talisman. I say this generally.
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he probably won't comment here, but feel free to ask him about our current wiki standards.

I say this because he is probably the most knowledgeable person on level 1 of the wiki.
 
Actually, I'll clear it up that whether or not crack of time is "bigger" than 2A structure or equal to them is unknown even if visual representation taken literally. The reason to my agreement and it's to be Low 1C is the various other scans in combination with transcending spacetime and being superior to it, further supported by it dwarfing those structures as nothing more than small crystals does indicates towards transcending them in form of superiority, i just find the context more than enough.
 
I agree.

From the perspective of the C.o.T, Infinite 4-D structures are insignificant aspects (This image from the manga truly shows this, look at all the dots in the background, infinite timelines are insignificant specs).

It is also has been called a Super Dimensional Space or equivalent more than once.
 
Also to clarify, beyond also mean superior depend on contexts and the verse also directly stated CoT is a super/hyper space-time/dimension multiple times, which if combine both of these evidences they already implying CoT is a superior structure to the 2-A multiverse, which in standard is low 1-C.

Fu and Crimson also stated powerful godly being like Zeno, Super Shenron and Grand Priest can't even reach it, and in Xenoverse, when Demigra decide to destroy the multiverse, he escapse to CoT as he know that the destruction of the multiverse can't affect CoT, which mean CoT is both superior to the multiverse and larger than it, from standard, superior to 2-A is Low 1-C, and larger than 2-A which is countable infinite mean uncountable infinite, which in turn mean Low 1-C

Visual envidences is also supporting this
 
Yeah I don’t really see the Crack of Time being tier 1 here. The scan of Mechikabura destroying everything said that nothing else, and nothing about this remotely mentions that the Crack of Time wasn’t affected at all, which btw is a nothing statement when it comes to upgrading it to tier 1.

The gods being incapable of reaching it doesn’t really mean anything here as it’s just a realm outside of the multiverse. Nothing about it transcending the multiverse and seeing it infinitesimal in this context.
 
Tbh, if the Crack of Time was actually superior to the Multiverse, what is the point in sealing Demigra in a place which transcends the multiverse, to safekeep it from him?
 
This looks more like "Above baseline 2-A Range" to me rather than Low 1-C

unless there is specific context on why the realm was unreachable despite multiverse destruction.
 
Reiner said:
https://vsbattles.com/threads/25-things-i-dislike-about-vs-debating-and-vsb.136199/post-4740564
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However, feats regarding affecting multiple multiverses may indeed qualify as higher range if the verse itself treats it as such. Those feats need to be relatively explicit and objective. For example, one multiverse being outside of the range of an effect or of the power of a character that can affect one infinite multiverse doesn't necessarily mean the multiverse is further away. Other factors such as differences in nature and domain of the multiverses or characters could, amongst other many other factors, also be the reason.

vsbattles.fandom.com

Tiering System FAQ

A: Whether higher-dimensional entities qualify for such high tiers or not depends on several different factors, which may take root both in and out-of-verse. To explain this situation, we must first clarify what exactly being higher-dimensional entails. In a way, yes, though not how most would...
vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
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I'm simply Quoting the faq page
 
StrymULTRA said:
Because if the CoT was actually superior to the Multiverse, Demigra would have 0 issues in coming back lmao.
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I don't see this reasoning to equate to the issue of "sealing him off" unless one wanna argue crack of time is below the multiversal existence through this logic. He was "sealed" and that's all there is regardless of space where he was sealed.
 
Theglassman12 said:
Yeah I don’t really see the Crack of Time being tier 1 here. The scan of Mechikabura destroying everything said that nothing else, and nothing about this remotely mentions that the Crack of Time wasn’t affected at all, which btw is a nothing statement when it comes to upgrading it to tier 1.

The gods being incapable of reaching it doesn’t really mean anything here as it’s just a realm outside of the multiverse. Nothing about it transcending the multiverse and seeing it infinitesimal in this context.
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I showed that visually she was unaffected and much was cited. but I understand, as there is no proof that she was unaffected, so please show me proof that she was affected by the mechikabura.

I have provided several proofs of how the crack of time transcends the multiverse, and 2-A beings not being able to achieve the crack of time is only support for this argument.
 
TheUnshakableOne said:
I'm simply Quoting the faq page
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Yes, FAQ regarding 2-A section doesn't explains much about what to do in case of "Larger than 2-A" but if you'll look over other parts of FAQ, you'll see that bigger than 2-A structure or countable infinite, by default equates to higher Tier. Uncountable infinite very definition is that it's bigger than countable infinite.
 
StrymULTRA said:
Tbh, if the Crack of Time was actually superior to the Multiverse, what is the point in sealing Demigra in a place which transcends the multiverse, to safekeep it from him?
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Chronoa used the labyrinth of time to seal it away. the labyrinth of time not only removes being from the flow of time, it also impedes movement. casting it for the crcak of time was just a consequence of using this skill.
 
@Irineu literally the scan that says nothing else remains tells me that the crack of time would’ve been affected too, especially coming from a demon who knows enough about the crack of time. So yeah I don’t see any evidence the crack of time being unaffected, the burden of proof is on you.
 
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