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Dragon Ball Heroes: Cosmological Review

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Theglassman12 said:
@Irineu It's still treated as a Space Time continuum with that world, which again should've been a crystal in form if we're going to take those crystals as actual universes. If you can prove that the crystals are legit actual timelines beyond the whole "story images" then you might have ground for DBH reaching tier 1.
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it's just a universal space-time continuum, unlike stories which are "multiversal" space-time continuums and therefore shouldn't have the same shape, and as I said before, the universe of Fu is made of pure energy distorted. Not to mention the fact that we see the roots of the universal tree cross a circular universe. so yes, the space-time continuum of a universe is circular, while that of a timeline is this crystal shape.

story and timeline are the same thing. For example, in Xenoverse 1 trunks said that they could fight freely with the demon gods, since they were not part of history, that is, they are not part of spacetime. well, as I said before, that link also has arguments besides this one
 
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@ImmortalDread when you're using "beyond time and space" yes you do need that elaboration if you want tier 1 with that statement.

@godofice I'm talking about this one.

@Quantu not to the same extent that the time scrolls are as they're stated and shown to represent timelines far more than the crystals. The timelines having some form of change means the crystals shatter, where when we see the time scrolls in play in both Xenoverses they literally just glow in dark energy as the timeline is altering, plus the added bonus that when the time scrolls are nuked the entire timeline dies completely, so the crystals just show images of what happens in certain points in time where the time scrolls has the entire timeline and is the sole reason the timelines exist in the first place.

@Irineu Do you not know what a space-time continuum is? Because it's literally the same thing as a timeline. I already explained why the crystals shattering doesn't line up with how the timelines are actually affected by the changes, the time scrolls are the main source of each timeline and it glows in dark energy whenever there's any changes in the timeline, and destroying the time scrolls results in the timelines getting nuked, the crystals hardly have anything on the level of the time scrolls and are just showing images of what happened in the past and future.
 
Theglassman12 said:
@ImmortalDread when you're using "beyond time and space" yes you do need that elaboration if you want tier 1 with that statement.

@godofice I'm talking about this one.

@Quantu not to the same extent that the time scrolls are as they're stated and shown to represent timelines far more than the crystals. The timelines having some form of change means the crystals shatter, where when we see the time scrolls in play in both Xenoverses they literally just glow in dark energy as the timeline is altering, plus the added bonus that when the time scrolls are nuked the entire timeline dies completely, so the crystals just show images of what happens in certain points in time where the time scrolls has the entire timeline and is the sole reason the timelines exist in the first place.

@Irineu Do you not know what a space-time continuum is? Because it's literally the same thing as a timeline. I already explained why the crystals shattering doesn't line up with how the timelines are actually affected by the changes, the time scrolls are the main source of each timeline and it glows in dark energy whenever there's any changes in the timeline, and destroying the time scrolls results in the timelines getting nuked, the crystals hardly have anything on the level of the time scrolls and are just showing images of what happened in the past and future.
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I see space time can refer to a universe or timeline
 
Theglassman12 said:
@Irineu Do you not know what a space-time continuum is? Because it's literally the same thing as a timeline. I already explained why the crystals shattering doesn't line up with how the timelines are actually affected by the changes, the time scrolls are the main source of each timeline and it glows in dark energy whenever there's any changes in the timeline, and destroying the time scrolls results in the timelines getting nuked, the crystals hardly have anything on the level of the time scrolls and are just showing images of what happened in the past and future.
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The space-time continuum is the "fabric" that encompasses space-time/universe as a whole. The universe is the timeline, friend. no, you didn't, and if you tried to argue my point, I'm sure I already answered you. Dude, I'm literally giving you scans and contexts for everything I say and you just say yes, and the only argument you gave was that there would be no reason for the demigra to go to the time nest, and this same argument I I already proved it wrong. Man, them also representing a timeline doesn't take away from the fact that the crystals are the timelines. To say that one represents the timeline and invalidate the other is wrong, as then we would destroy the time rings, as they also represent a timeline. If you destroy a crystal, your history is also destroyed, as I showed before with Fu cutting a crystal on the outside and entering this timeline. I already proved that just showing an era of the timeline is a contradictory argument, since in other dbh media there is no way to visualize the eras, the crystals are just a useless objective. Crystals and scrolls literally act the same. Both are destroyed if something happens to the timeline, and the timeline is destroyed if something happens to them. Both can be used to enter worlds and etc. They are literally identical.
 
I'm working so can't talk much via phone, however time scroll and time crystal are almost the same, the only different is time scroll is more fundamental, as even if timeline is destroyed the time scroll remain intact, also Chronoa and other Supreme Kai of Time don't like to bring time scroll out, as they prefer to keep them inside Time Nest/Vault
 
Irineu said:
Crystals and scrolls literally act the same. Both are destroyed if something happens to the timeline, and the timeline is destroyed if something happens to them. Both can be used to enter worlds and etc. They are literally identical.
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Anyway, because using phone is a pain in the ass, i missed this comment, however, this is wrong
1. Like my comment above, no, Time Scroll remain intact even if timeline is destroy, only Time Crystal which is small crystal in the hand of time patrol in some of the scans you linked, is destroyed when timeline is destroyed

2. And no, the "big crystals" in CoT can't enter the timeline, that wrong
 
I think if we see the individual universes as finite be it something high baseline 4D they would not be 5D higher dimensional after all higher dimension sees the other dimension as infetesimal something with a value of null or close to zero and as you show here the finitude level is still significant, in addition to the fact that, normally, a work always uses ways to portray these universes with a three-dimensional form in animation, since there is no way to portray them as 4D, they portray them as 3D after all.
i disagree.
 
Theglassman12 said:
@ImmortalDread when you're using "beyond time and space" yes you do need that elaboration if you want tier 1 with that statement.
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No, it does not. There are tons of methods, the one you mentioned is one of many. Also, I am aware that beyond time and space is obviously not enough, tho I am trying to interpret the relation to super-dimensional space definition.
 
Vietthai96 said:
1. Like my comment above, no, Time Scroll remain intact even if timeline is destroy, only Time Crystal which is small crystal in the hand of time patrol in some of the scans you linked, is destroyed when timeline is destroyed

2. And no, the "big crystals" in CoT can't enter the timeline, that wrong
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I know the scrolls of time are not destroyed if the timeline is. I thought I edited my comment to remove that part, but it looks like it didn't save.

why can't they be used to enter timelines? it is made clear that Fu can break them with his sword and enter the timelines.
 
Reiner said:
No need, rather ask for someone to close it. No one, even @Vietthai96 or @Irineu has time to argue for something futile, they have said everything they could. We don't have to keep arguing. Let's call it a day, this thread has been rejected and we need to move on.
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i mean, i still have time and energy, but yeah, this staff FRA train is crazy to be honest, it is overwhelming.

However, if people want, we can ask some tier 1 experts here to evaluate, since to be honest here, i don't want it to end like this

ImmortalDread said:
No, it does not. There are tons of methods, the one you mentioned is one of many. Also, I am aware that beyond time and space is obviously not enough, tho I am trying to interpret the relation to super-dimensional space definition.
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Well, in some contexts beyond also mean superiority, and it goes along with stated CoT to be a super dimension, super space-time, hyper dimensiom, hyper space-time, which when compare to the multiverse, the multiverse is only called to be normal dimensions, normal space-time. So the term Super here obviously mean superiority, which again mean CoT is superior to the entire 2-A multiverse. Other scan also pointed out its superiority such as Crimson and Fu stated all powerful god like Zeno, Grand Priest can't do anything to the place, and Super Shenron with his wish power can't do anything to Universe Tree reside in Crack of Time. And while i not like whataboutism, many other verse get tier from just some "beyond" statement.

And to be fair here, nothing will make sense if people keep isolating statement, it will destroy contexts, evidences must be grouped together to make a full contexts, isolated them like this sure will not make sense

Irineu said:
why can't they be used to enter timelines? it is made clear that Fu can break them with his sword and enter the timelines.
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it isn't, nothing in the verse stated they can enter timeline that way. Also Fu didn't enter timeline using those "big crystals", he created a special dimension called Prison Planet which is totally sealed, he using his space-time hax to open a door/portal to lure CC Goku and CC Vegeta in since the place is sealed which nothing can escapse, he want to lead Goku and his friend here, then trapped them inside to do his experiment. He didn't entered any timeline, he just enter his special dimension from CoT which no one but him can get in, even Xeno Goku need to intentionally being captured by Fu so he can investigate the dimension
 
Vietthai96 said:
And to be fair here, nothing will make sense if people keep isolating statement, it will destroy contexts, evidences must be grouped together to make a full contexts, isolated them like this sure will not make sense
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Create a whole blog for it
Vietthai96 said:
Well, in some contexts beyond also mean superiority, and it goes along with stated CoT to be a super dimension, super space-time, hyper dimensiom, hyper space-time, which when compare to the multiverse, the multiverse is only called to be normal dimensions, normal space-time. So the term Super here obviously mean superiority, which again mean CoT is superior to the entire 2-A multiverse. Other scan also pointed out its superiority such as Crimson and Fu stated all powerful god like Zeno, Grand Priest can't do anything to the place, and Super Shenron with his wish power can't do anything to Universe Tree reside in Crack of Time. And while i not like whataboutism, many other verse get tier from just some "beyond" statement.
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You need evidences rather your own personal interpretation.
 
Dagoth_OwO said:
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Mira would probably destroy the crystal if he hit it, since unlike him, Fu can open cuts in space-time without doing damage in reality. And the mura was busy fighting Bardock. after being defeated, mira just gave up and was reflecting on how he was different from the others.
 
ImmortalDread said:
You need evidences rather your own personal interpretation.
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Huh??, all the scan point it out, why it is suddenly became my personal interpretation, or you want a scan that need to say a big word: CoT is superior to the multiverse???

Irineu said:
Mira would probably destroy the crystal if he hit it, since unlike him, Fu can open cuts in space-time without doing damage in reality. And the mura was busy fighting Bardock. after being defeated, mira just gave up and was reflecting on how he was different from the others.
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What???
 
Irineu said:
crosshair would probably destroy the crystal if he hit it, since unlike him, Fu can open cuts in space-time without doing damage in reality. And the mura was busy fighting Bardock. after being defeated, mira just gave up and was reflecting on how he was different from the others.
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The first phrase is literally just headcanon. Even Towa stated that it would be a one way trip with no way out. Also, doesn't change the fact that Towa had to use Tokitoki's egg to later free Mira
 
Well, scans are all about interpretations. They don't state things directly, no verse does. If the interpretation is the obvious one and has context to it, it should be taken. Example: Pokemon verse for literal and whataboutism is fine, we don't have double standards here for different verses.
 
Vietthai96 said:
it isn't, nothing in the verse stated they can enter timeline that way. Also Fu didn't enter timeline using those "big crystals", he created a special dimension called Prison Planet which is totally sealed, he using his space-time hax to open a door/portal to lure CC Goku and CC Vegeta in since the place is sealed which nothing can escapse, he want to lead Goku and his friend here, then trapped them inside to do his experiment. He didn't entered any timeline, he just enter his special dimension from CoT which no one but him can get in, even Xeno Goku need to intentionally being captured by Fu so he can investigate the dimension
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I have a lot of doubts about this, but I'll accept it.
 
Dagoth_OwO said:
The first phrase is literally just headcanon. Even Towa stated that it would be a one way trip with no way out. Also, doesn't change the fact that Towa had to use Tokitoki's egg to later free Mira
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it was just a comparison that crosshairs don't have the same arsenal as Fu. Where did she get this information from? It was never stated that she used toki toki's egg to remove mira from CoT.
 
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Irineu said:
it was just a comparison that crosshairs don't have the same arsenal as Fu. Where did she get this information from? It was never stated that she used toki toki's egg to remove crosshairs from CoT.
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Towa very clearly used Tokitoki's egg to pull Mira from the CoT. Her reaction to losing Mira in the first place heavily implies that she couldn't bring him back as she even stated that it was a one way trip
 
Dagoth_OwO said:
Towa very clearly used Tokitoki's egg to pull Mira from the CoT. Her reaction to losing Mira in the first place heavily implies that she couldn't bring him back as she even stated that it was a one way trip
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it was never stated that she used toki toki's egg. a one-way trip to the Time Patrol. Towa only had the goal of arresting the Time Patrollers in CoT, not mira. the only proof that she used the egg, was her reaction after losing sight, so I'll accept it.
 
This thread is still open.. no power?
Theglassman12 said:
Then I’m closing this thread.
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