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Plus, being still 2-C despite being only 1/10th of the power to destroy 2 universes is weird.
Best is SSJ4 Goku, SSJ4 Vegeta and Syn Shenron to be just Low 2-C, it feels more coherent with the site's standards as well.
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Dragon Ball GT God Tier Upgrade: The Big (and simple) One
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Best is SSJ4 Goku, SSJ4 Vegeta and Syn Shenron to be just Low 2-C, it feels more coherent with the site's standards as well.
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Yep, only Omega and Gogeta SS4 would be 2-C.
The others who backscale like Syn and Goku & Vegeta SS4 would be Low 2-C
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Based on what's on the wiki it's four universe sized structures minimum actually. The Living Universe, Heaven, Hell, and the Kaioshin Realm
Vegeta is the only one here that has to backscale to Syn, SS4 Gogeta, SSJ4 and Change State Goku all scale directly to Omega
Besides, the reason why Vegeta scales to 3-A currently is because Omega's feat was calc'd to be 27x baseline, so Vegeta scaling to 1/10th of his strength could still be considered to be 2-C. (although I'm not an expert on the relationship between 2-C and Low 2-C, I may be wrong.)
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FPSSJ4 Goku also has to backscale to Syn, no? He'd only scale to Omega with Dragon Hammer
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While he lost, he was able to hold his own for a bit against Syn, so it's not far fetched to say he scales to Low 2-C overall.
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Issue is that the amount of realms is still below 10, and the x27 is only about the 3D thing, which is meaningless in Tier 2.
Low 2-C is much safer, heck is even better as they'd be very high in tier for same reason Half 2-C is.
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Yep, only Gogeta and Omega would be 2-C
The others Low 2-C through backscaling.
The others Low 2-C through backscaling.
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Then Goku is able to grab and restrict Omega's movement as he tries to struggle out but to no avail, mind you this is after Goku takes numerous hits from Omega and gets back up. The show makes it clear that he's relative to him both in durability and strength at this point.
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What about Goku with the genkidama gathered across the universe?
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Omega, FPSSJ4ku, Gogeta and Change State Goku would be 2-C, Vegeta can be Low 2-C if staff find proof of him scaling to the others insufficient.
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The thing that I wonder is how this will affect XenoVerse 1 Demigra as XV mixes both DBS and TOEI
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Oh. Neat
Then Goku is able to grab and restrict Omega's movement as he tries to struggle out but to no avail, mind you this is after Goku takes numerous hits from Omega and gets back up. The show makes it clear that he's relative to him both in durability and strength at this point.
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Dunno, it could make them reach 2-B, KEK.
However, let's leave that for another day and focus on the matter at hand.
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True yeah
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Nah I said it as a joke, DBH seems to prioritize the DBS way as the U7 clone is stated to be a single spacetime.
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I mean, they take elements from both DBS and GT, but is indeed true they tend to Focus more on DBS.
Anyways, let's not derail this further, I don't want this thread to turn into the typical 8 pages DB CRT
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Note 1:
Due to the fact that the distance between any given number of universes embedded in higher-dimensional / higher-order spaces is currently unknowable, it is impossible to quantify the numerical gap between each one of the subtiers in Tier 2. As such, it is not allowed to upgrade such a character based solely on multipliers. For example, someone twice as strong as a Low 2-C character would still be Low 2-C, and someone infinitely more powerful than a 2-C would not be 2-A.
as explained in tier system page, they could be infinite times weaker than 2-C and they would still be 2-C, no one can reach low 2-C just with multipliers/divisions
Due to the fact that the distance between any given number of universes embedded in higher-dimensional / higher-order spaces is currently unknowable, it is impossible to quantify the numerical gap between each one of the subtiers in Tier 2. As such, it is not allowed to upgrade such a character based solely on multipliers. For example, someone twice as strong as a Low 2-C character would still be Low 2-C, and someone infinitely more powerful than a 2-C would not be 2-A.
as explained in tier system page, they could be infinite times weaker than 2-C and they would still be 2-C, no one can reach low 2-C just with multipliers/divisions
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Exactly, upscaling is not possible.
But in the wiki we have Whis who is 2-C right coz upscaling from Beerus/Champa feat, and both are Half 2-C lol
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And baselines exist for a reason.
Anything below the power to destroy 2 universes is Low 2-C at max.
So either make Beerus/Champa 2-C or accept Low 2-C for the SSJ4s.
Anything below the power to destroy 2 universes is Low 2-C at max.
So either make Beerus/Champa 2-C or accept Low 2-C for the SSJ4s.
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Except SS4 Gogeta
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two wrongs don't make a right, i will do a thread on it the moment this one concludes to address this, because it goes directly against our standards
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that is not how it works, the distance between two space times in unknown, for the same reason that 1000000x 2-C is not 2-B, 2/2-C is not low 2-C, the baseline exists but currently we don't accept any multipliers to either jump or go down a tier in tier 2
so i quote you strongly:
"So either make Beerus/Champa 2-C or accept Low 2-C for the SSJ4s."
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Let's shoot for nine.Anyways, let's not derail this further, I don't want this thread to turn into the typical 8 pages DB CRT
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Anyway I wanna once again make it clear that SSJ4 Vegeta is the only character mentioned in the OP that doesn't scale directly to Omega Shenron, and that SSJ4 Goku should not be lumped in with him due to these reasons:
If the wiki treats jumps between 2-C and Low-2C as omegabronic has said, then he would still end up being 2-C along the rest. I'll wait for staff to give their judgement concerning that.
Then Goku is able to grab and restrict Omega's movement as he tries to struggle out but to no avail, mind you this is after Goku takes numerous hits from Omega and gets back up. The show makes it clear that he's relative to him both in durability and strength at this point.
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Do it now if you dare, lmao. Because my stance ain't changing.
Besides, even Sonic has Half 2-C characters as Low 2-C.
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Stop mentioning other verses in a DB thread, you're just rambling.
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I was originally going to disagree, for reasons brought up on the previous thread that he more so just pollutes and corrupts that more so causes explosions individually, but maintains range. But I'm more neutral now that I have there are some points about the range + AP being down via his pure evil energy so it could be argued to scale to AP as well.
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Here is a scan from Toei's official website that outrights says that Blacksmoke Shenron has the power to destroy the entire universe. When the guides use 'destroy' they refer to the whole thing, such as Cell's Solar System statements. The two feats are similiar, they both have the characters themselves exclaiming that they will destroy X, guides backing the statement up, with Omega's feat being further backed up by Old Kai, and Kibito Kai's insistence on immediately escaping from the Kaioshin Realm pointing to the fact that it would not take long to reach them.
Blacksmoke Shenron's power was then split between the Seven Shadow Dragons, and Syn Shenron then reunites all of the Shadow Dragons' power and negative energy becoming the composite Dragon.
Everything points to Omega Shenron's Macrocosm-level power.
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They are not equal, Goku just downscales.
Goku was able to restrict Syn shenron's movement for a moment.
That was before Syn shenron turned into Omega Shenron, after absorbing the other dragons.
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Then Goku is able to grab and restrict Omega's movement as he tries to struggle out but to no avail, mind you this is after Goku takes numerous hits from Omega and gets back up. The show makes it clear that he's relative to him both in durability and strength at this point.
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And this is why he's gonna be Low 2-C lol.
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downscaling from 2-C is still 2-C
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SSJ4FP stomped Syn, but got stomped by Omega even when he got his sight back, hence why he nearly used self-destruction.
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I recommend that you rewatch Episode 59 of GT, I did the same. Omega only outlasted SSJ4FPku via both hax and better stamina. When Goku wasn't tired he was both able to fight on relatively equal par with him, utterly destroy him with Dragon Hammer, and then restrict his movement via grapple after he regen'd. It's then that Vegeta comes and they end up fusing, and Goku ends up blowing most of his load of remaining stamina as Gogeta
Keep in mind that this is a Goku that had just came out of a full day where he had fought all the six other Shadow Dragons, and the fight against Syn/Omega came immediately after the fight against Nuova and Eis Shenron
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