Dragon Ball - Gohan's High 4-C upgrade

[Eseseso]

Can we just put this in already?

It's accepted and the justifications are written out.

 

[LordTracer]

Can we just put this in already?

It's accepted and the justifications are written out.

The justifications aren’t finished (they’re missing scans and references), and this revision also changes Goten’s scaling, which wasn’t finished either.

The revision is literally unfinished.

 

[Eseseso]

Ok, then can we please finish it?

We're gonna get Low 1-C DBH before this thing ends at this rate.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

The justifications aren’t finished (they’re missing scans and references), and this revision also changes Goten’s scaling, which wasn’t finished either.

The revision is literally unfinished.

Should we put in the stuff besides the unfinished stuff like Goten?

 

[LordTracer]

Ok, then can we please finish it?

We're gonna get Low 1-C DBH before this thing ends at this rate.

If you want to finish it, you’re gonna have to get the scans and references that this sandbox is missing and come up with a new AP justification for Goten.

 

[Eseseso]

If you want to finish it, you’re gonna have to get the scans and references that this sandbox is missing and come up with a new AP justification for Goten.

Doesn't his SSJ self scale to 18?

We can just say his Base is 1/50th of what 18 scales to.

 

[BlastX]

He actually scales higher than 18, they nearly kill her by accident

 

[Eseseso]

He actually scales higher than 18, they nearly kill her by accident

Exactly, so just make Base Goten 1/50th of that.

18 would just be "4-C, higher with Kienzan"

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Surprised this still hasn't been added. Agreed.

 

[LordTracer]

Surprised this still hasn't been added. Agreed.

It hasnt been added because it’s incomplete

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

It hasnt been added because it’s incomplete

Yeah, why the **** it hasn't been completed, that's what I meant

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

It hasnt been added because it’s incomplete

What else needs to be done?

 

[LordTracer]

What else needs to be done?

Gohan’s new justifications are missing scans and references, and his base and SS2 stats in his first key don’t have any justification.

 

[Eseseso]

Gohan’s new justifications are missing scans and references, and his base and SS2 stats in his first key don’t have any justification.

His Base should just scale above Goku's Base for obvious reasons (SSJ Multiplier is same for both), and his SSJ2 doesn't need a different justification from what it already has.

But I don't agree with his power eclipsing Goku's "many times over" like the blog claims.

The links just show his SSJ to be stronger than SSJ Goku, but nothing says he's many (as in >=4x) stronger than SSJ Goku.

 

[BlastX]

It's not that hard really.

Base:"Equal if not stronger to his Buu Saga self since his power had stagnated since then, should be stronger than Base Form Cell Games Goku"

Super Saiyan 2:Honestly just the same thing that he has already.

 

[Eseseso]

It's not that hard really.

Base:"Equal if not stronger to his Buu Saga self since his power had stagnated since then, should be stronger than Base Form Cell Games Goku"

Super Saiyan 2:Honestly just the same thing that he has already.

Basically what I just said, besides that good addition that he's superior to his Cell Games self.

 

[BlastX]

Anyways, I think in some of the links Null left in this thread there's the scans for it, so someone has to just pick them up and put them in the sandbox and problem solved.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

He actually is seen holding it in SSJ at the time Goku was fighting buu

https://pm1.narvii.com/6906/849292b10c71176f3e2608283b8e7d35757c2ed8r1-1194-1817v2_hq.jpg

Forgive if the scans are improper in format but they do contain all the relevant info

In that case, post-Z-Sword training Gohan (and possibly Goku, as he could swing the Z-Sword around) would scale to ~2.04 Foe in base and 102 Foe as a Super Saiyan, placing him several times into 4-B.

Here

Gohan’s new justifications are missing scans and references, and his base and SS2 stats in his first key don’t have any justification.

This is the justification if it helps we could just add the scans in the actual profile

 

[Eseseso]

Bump

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Bump

 

[Eseseso]

How about we add this and then focus our attention on references.

 

[Eseseso]

Bump!

 

[Eseseso]

Let's put the justifications in and then work on references.

We don't have this referencing issue for any other profile in Dragon Ball.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Let's put the justifications in and then work on references.

We don't have this referencing issue for any other profile in Dragon Ball.

Well the mod said we can put it in once we got the references in so you know the chapters to reference? Since if you do we could apply this also since Teen Gohan is stronger than Buu saga gohan would this affect him too?

 

[Eseseso]

Well the mod said we can put it in once we got the references in so you know the chapters to reference? Since if you do we could apply this also since Teen Gohan is stronger than Buu saga gohan would this affect him too?

I don't, but we don't do this referencing stuff for any other DB profile.

Let's just put in the justifications, and then come back to work on references.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

I don't, but we don't do this referencing stuff for any other DB profile.

Let's just put in the justifications, and then come back to work on references.

None of the profiles are open besides Goten and Trunks so you should ask in the all forum thread to open up Gohan Goku and Vegeta and I’ll handle goten and trunks downscaling from SSJ

 

[BlastX]

Nullflowerblush/Operation: Buu Saga

vsbattles.fandom.com

Most of the stuff is actually here.

 

[Eseseso]

“but Supreme Kai is always wrong tho”

Is Supreme Kai ALWAYS wrong? Does it even matter to whether Base Buu Saga Goku is stronger than Frieza? Will this even stop the comments?BECOME A MEMBER TODA...

www.youtube.com

More support for Base Gohan (as well as Base Goku and Vegeta) scaling above Buu Saga Piccolo

 

[LordTracer]

We don't have this referencing issue for any other profile in Dragon Ball.

Have you actually… looked at the profiles recently? 99% of the Dragon Team profiles have references, including Gohan.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Bump anyone know the Manga chapters? We just need references now and this is pretty much done

 

[SeiyaRyuSeiKen]

Bump

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

So did anyone get the references yet???

 

[Hiryu-Z]

Buu Saga Goku and Vegeta are both High 4-C in their base forms by virtue of scaling above the Supreme Kai. Buu Saga Gohan should be given the same treatment; consequently, Cell Games Gohan and likely Goku would be upgraded, too.

Based on his own feats and statements...

• Even knowing the might of his Supreme Kai, Kibito viewed a fraction of the Ki that Gohan possessed to be "immeasurable"
• Dabura believed the three Saiyans, including Gohan, combined, could deliver enough energy to fully revivify Majin Buu, implying comparability
• Gohan participated in the rock-paper-scissors match to decide the one to take on Pui-Pui, and Vegeta considered him part of the "strongest beings in existence"
• Babidi was weary of the three Saiyans altogether, disregarding the Supreme Kai entirely, enough to send out Yakon immediately after Pui-Pui
• In the presence of the mighty Yakon, Gohan was able to remain level-headed and confident, whereas the Supreme Kai immediately rallied for an ambush with the group's combined forces
• Gohan was confident that if he assisted Goku, the two could have taken on Yakon without even their Super Saiyan forms, as Yakon directly countered said powers
• Even after the battle, having witnessed Pui-Pui at his strongest, Gohan still considered the trials Babidi orchestrated to be similar to a video game
• By the time Dabura appeared, the Supreme Kai was left thoroughly amazed by the power of the three Saiyans, viewing their strength as impossible for "mere mortals" despite their relaxed states

Based on powerscaling...

• Uh... Cell.
  • Trunks was "almost" as powerful as Vegeta and, even in his normal Super Saiyan form, posed enough of a threat to Semi-Perfect Cell to completely halt him, dead in his tracks
  • The act of raising his Ki to the level of Second Grade Super Saiyan was enough for Vegeta to shock not only Piccolo, but even Semi-Perfect Cell and Krillin recognized Vegeta's Ki as even larger than that of Cell's; although, this was obvious
  • As an upgraded Super Saiyan, Vegeta completely disregarded a full power Semi-Perfect Cell's strength and even no-sold its strikes
  • The energy that Cell generated on the way to entering its completed form was strong enough to no-sell the punches of Grade 2 Trunks
  • Even while holding back "way, way, WAY more" of its full strength, Perfect Cell was powerful enough for Krillin to deduce that Vegeta, in his current state, had zero chance of defeating Cell
  • "Warming up", Perfect Cell pressured Super Vegeta into near-exhaustion without breaking a sweat, and then proceeded to blitz him and no-sell a kick to the neck, proving its vast superiority
  • Perfect Cell, even holding back immeasurably, was too powerful of a foe for Vegeta to even faze with his attacks, and Cell effortlessly stomped him
  • Without even readying for combat, Trunks' Ki, leaking from his body violently, was enough to catch the attention of Cell, who acknowledged his strength as worthy of entertainment
  • Cell deemed Trunks' power as a Third Grade Super Saiyan to be "greater than [its] by a wide margin", which Piccolo corroborated
  • Powering into half of his full strength, Goku shocked even the likes of Vegeta, Trunks, and Piccolo, with Vegeta even acknowledging that Goku managed to widen the gap between the two; however, Gohan was not impressed and did not even believe that this was truly half of his full power
  • At his fullest capacity, Goku, as a Super Saiyan, was considered "unbelievable" and "immeasurable" [by Krillin] in strength by the sideliners, including Vegeta and Trunks... but not Gohan
  • His Ki not even raised, Gohan had viewed the entire battle between Goku and Cell as a battle between a monster and a man that not even tried, proving the vast gap between him and his father
• Vegeta remarked that Gohan had grown "out of shape" in the years following the Cell Games; however, he never discounted his strength and, in fact, even showed interest in battling Gohan, despite recognizing that his strength had stagnated, with Vegeta, not even exercising a fraction of his full strength, effortlessly dominating Pui-Pui and deeming him a worthless opponent

The scaling chain goes as follows...

• (Cell Games) Heavily Suppressed SSJ Gohan >>> 100% SSJ Goku > 50% SSJ Goku >>>>>> Super Trunks > DBZ 193 Perfect Cell >> "Warm-up" Perfect Cell >>>>>> Super Vegeta >>> SSJ Vegeta and Trunks > Semi-Perfect Cell = High 4-C
  • The gap between a heavily suppressed SSJ Gohan and Semi-Perfect Cell is large enough for even his base form to be comparable to Cell, taking into account the meager multiplier of Super Saiyan
• (Buu Saga) Vegeta > Gohan >>> Yakon and Pui-Pui > Shin

also, about that yakon one, gohan knows that yakon can absorb auras now, so he was likely suggesting that he and goku take yakon on while suppressed as not to have their ki leak out of their body and get absorbed

So yeah.

Now, if you excuse me, The Breakers' open beta has already begun.

Agree FRA

 

[AguilaR202]

So did anyone get the references yet???

all the chapter numbers are in the imgurs links of nullflowers Original Post.

We only need references for Gohans Z sword training.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

all the chapter numbers are in the imgurs links of nullflowers Original Post.

We only need references for Gohans Z sword training.

Can you find it?

 

[BlastX]

Can't you do it?

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Can't you do it?

I’m not him when it comes to that but if someone can find the chapters that it comes from we can finally apply this

 

[AguilaR202]

I’m not him when it comes to that but if someone can find the chapters that it comes from we can finally apply this

Gohan Pulls out the Z sword in DBZ
chapter 278

SS1 Gohan is Shown training with it during DBZ chapter 280

Gohan displays mastery of the Z sword in base during DBZ chapter 284

all of those are from the manga.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Gohan Pulls out the Z sword in DBZ
chapter 278

SS1 Gohan is Shown training with it during DBZ chapter 280

Gohan displays mastery of the Z sword in base during DBZ chapter 284

all of those are from the manga.

Thanks now that I’m attempting to apply this I’m confused at the joule values for like Shin and stuff and how far into High 4-C they scale to

“but Supreme Kai is always wrong tho”

Is Supreme Kai ALWAYS wrong? Does it even matter to whether Base Buu Saga Goku is stronger than Frieza? Will this even stop the comments?BECOME A MEMBER TODA...

www.youtube.com

More support for Base Gohan (as well as Base Goku and Vegeta) scaling above Buu Saga Piccolo

yo can you help out?

 

[AguilaR202]

Thanks now that I’m attempting to apply this I’m confused at the joule values for like Shin and stuff and how far into High 4-C they scale to

yo can you help out?

The Values in joules don’t matter much.

All we need is to add references to this

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Nullflowerblush/Operation:_Buu_Saga

sandbox, specifically these parts:

allowing him to effortlessly wield the Z-Sword,…

Shown in DBZ manga chapter 284

whereas, previously, he required Super Saiyan…

Shown in DBZ manga chapters 278 and 280