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Given that 'encompassing all mathematics' is not tacked in anymore in Downstreamers' profile, I believe, 'At least' part should be removed. Or maybe Downstreamers should even be downgraded all the way to High 1-C or even 2-A.
Because Downstreamers' High 1-B rating hinged on 'encompassing all mathematics'. Before it was decided that 'encompassing all mathematics' is solid 1-A. And it was decided again that Manifold is not 'encompassing all mathematics' after all.
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2-A rating
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[Aeyu said :
"Infinity is significant, you see," Nemoto said, too rapidly. "There is, umm, a qualitative difference between a mere large number, however large, and infinity. In the infinite manifold, in that infinite ensemble, all logically possible universes must exist. And therefore all logically possible destinies must unfold. Everything that is possible will happen, somewhere out there. They created a grand stage, you see, Emma: a stage for endless possibilities of life and mind."
The Astrologers, he told Manekato, believed that the universe — any given universe — was a fundamentally comprehensible system. If a system was comprehensible, then an entity must exist that could comprehend it. Therefore an entity must exist that could comprehend the entire universe, arbitrarily well or rather She must exist, as Babo put it.
"The God of the Manifold," Manekato said dryly.
The catch was that there was a manifold of possible universes, of which this was only one. So She may not exist in this universe.
Anyhow, it — She — was to be the ultimate goal of the Daemons" quest.
"Of course," Babo said, "She may actually be an expression of the manifold itself — or perhaps the manifold itself, the greater structure of reality strands, is itself self-referential, in some sense conscious. Or perhaps the manifold is itself merely one thread in a greater tapestry—"
"A manifold of manifolds."
"And perhaps there is a further recursion of structure, no end to the hierarchies of life and mind, which—" ]
[Antvasima said :
I am not sure. The above type of descriptions are recurrently used in fiction for a mere 2-A type of an infinite amount of possible universes.]
[Aeyu said :
That is true, but I do believe…]
Ant said it should be 2-A based on quotes above.
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High 1-C rating
[Manifold Time said :
"We think it worked," he said, breathless. "We found him."
Emma was not glad to see Taine once more. "Found who? What are you talking about?"
Cornelius handed over a document. It was a report prepared by a professor of physics from Cal Tech. Emma leafed through it. It was heavy on text and laden with equations, difficult to skim.
Cornelius said, "It's an analysis of material found on a softscreen. The math was difficult to decipher. Unconventional formalism. But it's all there."
Cornelius sat down and visibly tried to be patient. "It's a sketch of the foundations of a theory of quantum gravity, which is a unification, awaited for a century, of general relativity and quantum theory, the two great pillars of physics."
"I thought we had that. String theory."
"String theory is part of it. But string theory is mathematically dense — after thirty years the theorists have only extracted a handful of predictions from it — and it's limited besides; it doesn't incorporate curved space in a natural way. And—"]
String theory is M-theory. Postulates there are 11 dimensions. 11 dimensions is a part of Manifold, possibly suggesting that there are other kinds of mathematical Theories inside Manifold. So I think we should rate 'At least High 1-C' here.
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Its still a mathematical multiverse?
[Manifold Space :
Cassiopeia had spent time trying to teach him about a phenomenon just a little beyond his own horizon — as chaos theory might have been to an engineer of, say, the 1950s. It was something to do with the emergence of complexity. The Gaijin seemed able to see how complexity, even life, naturally emerged from the simplest of beginnings: not fundamental physical laws, but something even deeper than that — as far as he could make out, the essential mathematical logic that underlay all things.]
Read the bolded. Something beyond fundamental physical laws, but mathematics that underlay all things. Might be supporting statement to the one at 'Manifold Time'. That describes that all math structures present within Manifold.
Because Downstreamers' High 1-B rating hinged on 'encompassing all mathematics'. Before it was decided that 'encompassing all mathematics' is solid 1-A. And it was decided again that Manifold is not 'encompassing all mathematics' after all.
++++++++++++++++++++++
2-A rating
Posts from https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1370650
[Aeyu said :
"Infinity is significant, you see," Nemoto said, too rapidly. "There is, umm, a qualitative difference between a mere large number, however large, and infinity. In the infinite manifold, in that infinite ensemble, all logically possible universes must exist. And therefore all logically possible destinies must unfold. Everything that is possible will happen, somewhere out there. They created a grand stage, you see, Emma: a stage for endless possibilities of life and mind."
The Astrologers, he told Manekato, believed that the universe — any given universe — was a fundamentally comprehensible system. If a system was comprehensible, then an entity must exist that could comprehend it. Therefore an entity must exist that could comprehend the entire universe, arbitrarily well or rather She must exist, as Babo put it.
"The God of the Manifold," Manekato said dryly.
The catch was that there was a manifold of possible universes, of which this was only one. So She may not exist in this universe.
Anyhow, it — She — was to be the ultimate goal of the Daemons" quest.
"Of course," Babo said, "She may actually be an expression of the manifold itself — or perhaps the manifold itself, the greater structure of reality strands, is itself self-referential, in some sense conscious. Or perhaps the manifold is itself merely one thread in a greater tapestry—"
"A manifold of manifolds."
"And perhaps there is a further recursion of structure, no end to the hierarchies of life and mind, which—" ]
[Antvasima said :
I am not sure. The above type of descriptions are recurrently used in fiction for a mere 2-A type of an infinite amount of possible universes.]
[Aeyu said :
That is true, but I do believe…]
Ant said it should be 2-A based on quotes above.
++++++++++++++++++++++
High 1-C rating
[Manifold Time said :
"We think it worked," he said, breathless. "We found him."
Emma was not glad to see Taine once more. "Found who? What are you talking about?"
Cornelius handed over a document. It was a report prepared by a professor of physics from Cal Tech. Emma leafed through it. It was heavy on text and laden with equations, difficult to skim.
Cornelius said, "It's an analysis of material found on a softscreen. The math was difficult to decipher. Unconventional formalism. But it's all there."
Cornelius sat down and visibly tried to be patient. "It's a sketch of the foundations of a theory of quantum gravity, which is a unification, awaited for a century, of general relativity and quantum theory, the two great pillars of physics."
"I thought we had that. String theory."
"String theory is part of it. But string theory is mathematically dense — after thirty years the theorists have only extracted a handful of predictions from it — and it's limited besides; it doesn't incorporate curved space in a natural way. And—"]
String theory is M-theory. Postulates there are 11 dimensions. 11 dimensions is a part of Manifold, possibly suggesting that there are other kinds of mathematical Theories inside Manifold. So I think we should rate 'At least High 1-C' here.
++++++++++++++++++++++++
Its still a mathematical multiverse?
[Manifold Space :
Cassiopeia had spent time trying to teach him about a phenomenon just a little beyond his own horizon — as chaos theory might have been to an engineer of, say, the 1950s. It was something to do with the emergence of complexity. The Gaijin seemed able to see how complexity, even life, naturally emerged from the simplest of beginnings: not fundamental physical laws, but something even deeper than that — as far as he could make out, the essential mathematical logic that underlay all things.]
Read the bolded. Something beyond fundamental physical laws, but mathematics that underlay all things. Might be supporting statement to the one at 'Manifold Time'. That describes that all math structures present within Manifold.
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