Doremy's Gauntlet: Doremy Vs Zero

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

And I'm pretty sure that neither of those cases were in an attempt to kill someone in particular and more like Zero just wanting to take over the world.

I know it sounds like I'm being nit-picky af right now, but Zero doesn't seem to have ever fought like that, and you need really good reasons to explain why a character would do something that they never did in actual combat.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

"4.2 Lightyears separate both (Approximatively the distance between the earth and Proxima Centauri)"

Why?


Anyways, in a normal situation where the characters can see each other, wouldn't Zero both try and take over anything in the area if that's his opening move along with trying to kill Doremy?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Yet Doremy fights how exactly? If we want to play that game, Doremy primarily uses her danmaku as simple attacks without hax that'll do nothing due to Zero's Regenerationn and statistical advantage.

Then that leaves Dark Matter's many many many possessions of King Dedede my dude. Or Dark Nebula's possession of Daroach. Or Dark Crafter's possession of Claycia. All individuals that got possessed.

Count my vote towards bleeding eyeball. Go-to possession with both it and the creations it spawns. Dark Matter alone being stronger than Doremy is.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

She does so because she has an actual reason to do that: Spell Cards rules. She basically holds back during most of the games. Even then, in the fighting games, her normal attacks all are Dream Souls, which are instant sleep + soul hax.

Again, I'm not saying that he won't possess. I'm saying that he won't cover the entire battlefield in Dark Matter instantly just to kill a single person. Not that Doremy can't just teleport away and snipe him from there, due to her range advantage. Or just shrug and BFR Zero away.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

>Dream Souls

I promise you they don't put you to sleep in the fighting game if we wanna play it like that. I don't, so let's move on. Spell Card rules or no, it's the way she's used to fighting.

>Cover

He sees Doremy using Danmaku and responds in kind.

>Range

Doremy doesn't have the range advantage at all. Literally only her portals have the range necessary. If anything, Zero snipes.

>BFR

Zero can think and corrupt in turn, given Dark Mind does that. Not to mention her BFR to be of any use here requires her portals, which will be hard to to Zero who ranged anywhere from the size of a country to a planet.

 

[Junkoposter]

this is going to turn into a millennium long argument just like when Doremy fought Kirby, isn't it?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

That's what we call game mechanics, given that outside of the game they put people to sleep on impact. Even if she somehow used nerfed versions, she wouldn't do that in an actual fight outside of Spell Card Rules.

Her reality warping is multi-stellar and her portals are multi-universal. She can easily just teleport away and shoot him from there, ala Yukari.

Pretty sure that Dark Mind can't just magically corrupt people from other universes without something like a mirror. Also Zero is slightly bigger than Kirby dude. Aaaand Doremy doesn't need portals, she can just teleport people.

 

[Junkoposter]

the portals have low-multiversal range

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Same thing.

 

[Junkoposter]

ovo

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Requiring portals to snipe is much much much worse than natural multi-universal range or teleportation. She needs to open a portal, go through the portal, and shoot attacks through the portal. Also same with Zero.

Dark Mind doesn't need the mirror to do that as he did that in the process of getting the mirror.

Zero's only the size of Kirby during gameplay unless we're saying that Adeleine, a full human, is a foot and a half tall. We see in cutscenes that the red of his eye alone takes up the majority of the Hyper Zone. Furthermore, her profile says otherwise. It only says multi-universal range via portals.

 

[Junkoposter]

"Low Multiversal with portals (Can create portals to the Dream World)" ovo

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Not really. And even then, it's better than measly multi-galactic range. She can still just hide away in the Dream World and then put him to sleep.

I'm not even sure where the idea that Dark Mind can corrupt people from other universes came from, because his profile only states that he corrupted people from the mirror world via dream land's people. And he's only "possibly" Dark Matter according to his profile. And Zero doesn't have Low Multiversal range.

I didn't specifically put in via teleportation because that's too similar to portal creation, but she can just teleport people to the dream world. (I uh wanted to put a link here but I couldn't find it on the internet, but one of her victory animations is just shrugging and teleporting herself and her opponent in the dream world)

I wouldn't consider the Hyper Zone having a giant eye to be a proof fo Zero being this huge by himself. Especially since considering that a character being thousands of time smaller than "normal" being just gameplay mechanic to be quite fishy.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Put him to sleep with what? Her powers aren't multi-universal, only her portals are.

Unless it's in character for Doremy to hide like a little b*tch and snipe, it's a non-factor. Multi-galactic range is more than enough as he corrupted all of the denizens of the Mirror World. Don't blame me that it says "possibly". A lot of peeps handle Kirby profiles.

I mean, fair enough. I can understand that.

 

[Eficiente]

Kirby had the friend heart when he fought Doremy indeed.

There is big difference there, it was before Heroes in Another Dimension so don't think we were going with it being able to affect others without contact.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I mean, it was before Star Allies in itself came out. We only had the trailers to work off of back then.

 

[Eficiente]

Kirby can also just, naturally hit prollectiles and send them to the enemy who used them.

Btw, in this match, while Zero can shoot out Dark Matter beings, what he mostly does is shooting Dark Matter clouds. Which insta mindhax everything (and can join to make a Dark Matter being, but it's still different as the Dark Matter clouds are also used by Dark Matter soldiers and wanna-be Dark Matter characters).

 

[The_Causality]

bomp

 

[Kirby71]

We... Found out something that makes Zero win if confirmed, check the general discussion thread in Kirby.

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2727006

 

[The_Causality]

bump

 

[Eficiente]

Zero's profile was updated.

 

[The_Causality]

bump

 

[Eficiente]

At this range Zero-Two just mindhaxes, what can Doremy do against that?

 

[Kiet_Nguyen_Tuan]

Doremy has resistance to mind manip right? Can 02 mindhax bypass her resistance?

 

[Eficiente]

Yes, as it says on the profile, it scales to Dark Mind's multi-galactic morality hax. Even without scaling, it was able to affect unknown parts of some planets galaxies apart from each other.

 

[Kiet_Nguyen_Tuan]

Probably gonna vote for 02, unless Doremy somehow resist that mindhaxes or her EE is actually stronger than I imagine (which probably is not the case rn)