Donquixote Doflamingo vs Hatake Kakashi

[CinCameron20]

Since Law is proving no match for Kakashi in the other thread, i'll make this one here.

Speed equalized, No Genjutsu or CoC, No Birdcage.

Battleground: Konoha - partially cloudy day

Starting Distance: 30 meters

Both in character

Victory condition: Death of opponent

Who wins?

Doflamingo: 10 ( TISSG7Redgrave, Pocket-Chu, Omni-Everything, Venom Elite, AkuAkuAkuma, Darkdefeat1, Sera Loveheart, FateAlbane, RexofLM, Mage914) (+1 if my vote is allowed Q_Q)

Kakashi: 10 (Aizen, Gemmysaur, PaChi, Burning Full Fingers, Damico22?, Byakuya, AllanSaiyan, Scarletfirefly, Hakumon, Havesomeblade)

Votes are only valid if you can actually give a reason as to why one of them would wi


Doffy


The Copy Ninja

 

[LordAizenSama]

kamui raikiri.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

well i would go to flamingo in this his hax are more safe and while Kakashi can spam Kamui they have precog but the issue here that Kakashi will tire out more and Doffy can knock him out with haki if he is too tired so leaning to doffy

 

[Pocket-Chu]

Both of the previous posters make good points but I think I'll go with Doffy 7/10 times-

 

[LordAizenSama]

Hmm, I'll have to try harder arguments.

Genjutsu then Kamui Raikiri.

 

[CinCameron20]

As we're all aware, i'll be putting my vote on Doflamingo, but this is the reasoning why, going off their profiles and how Kamui works (except i can't vote leleelelel):

Doflamingo and Kakashi both have pre-cognition, so they'd be able to avoid eachother's incoming attacks more efficiently, but given Doflamingo can go airborne with his threads and increase his evasive capabilities, he has an advantage here.

His range also far exceeds Kakashi's by dozens of kilometers.

Even if Kakashi lands an attack that injures Doflamingo, Doflamingo has mid-low regen with his threads, and can still fight with injuries that have not dealt fatal damage. Kakashi attacking will render him unable to use Kamui on himself, which would lower his defenses. Doflamingo could exploit that once he realizes the trick, or when Kakashi is exhausted by using Kamui over and over again.

Doflamingo should be capable of winning this with mid difficulty with the help of his Black Knight, mobility, and regen as a clutch.

 

[CinCameron20]

@Aizen - hmm - CoC haki and Overheato. Also, i put matched resistances.

 

[Omni-everything]

doffy got this i mean kakashi cant spam his op techniques like dio spamming time stop plus doffy can use battle precog and his bullet string that just shoot kakashi in the eye and bam doffy can kill him by slicing him or shoting him with 100x bullet string

 

[LordAizenSama]

@Aizen - hmm - CoC haki and Overheato. Also, i put matched resistances.

And does nothing. KOes Fodder. Overheat does nothing.

and what does match resistance mean? you trying to give doflamingo imaginery genjutsu resistance?

 

[CinCameron20]

@Aizen - you rather i just flat out remove genjutsu and leave Kakashi vulnverable to a wide-ranged Conqueror's haki shockwave that would just instantly give him a seizure?

 

[LordAizenSama]

You don't need haki withstand it, just a strong will.

 

[CinCameron20]

@Aizen - the ability has a physical influence as well, as shown with Shanks, Doflamingo, Luffy, and Chinjao. The shockwave would butcher Kakashi.

Also, Kakashi's will is not impenetrable and he has never showcased immense willpower.

 

[LordAizenSama]

You mean the same haki shanks used that barely cracked the wood of the ship? come now.

 

[CinCameron20]

@Aizen - i like how you referred to the character of the 4 i listed that was clearly holding back. "I needed to seem like a threat"

 

[LordAizenSama]

Yes i'm sure the wood cracking gave them the sp00ks. Such strong Haki.

"He has impressive haki as usual"~~

 

[CinCameron20]

@aizen - i would be like "let's wait and see more CoC feats", but that's like saying "let's sit and wait for 2 years", but still -- where is Kakashi shown having a high level of will power that would have him mitigate or even nullify the affects of conqueror's haki?

 

[LordAizenSama]

It's a fodder wiper. nothing else. Kakashi by default resists it with ease due to his mindset and training he got in the anbu black ops. As a kid no less. Show me the strongest person Dofllamingo has used it on if you wish to continue this line of discussion. Otherwise, NLF.

 

[CinCameron20]

Kakashi with that MCB durability.

 

[LordAizenSama]

So you have no proof I take it, so that discussion is done.

Kakashi wins via Genjutsu, Perfect susanoo (which does fly) Kamui in all allowed applications (shurikens,intangibility or raikiri,he can spam it's abilities in his strongest form) and shadow clone spam. Kakashi has way too many easier and realistic options to win

 

[Gemmysaur]

Kakashi for reasons stated by LordAizenSama.

Kamui's a very good candidate for topdog of haxx in Naruto.

 

[CinCameron20]

@Aizen - How is he going to get Doflamingo with said attacks whilst Doflamingo is in the sky above him? His range is listed as several dozen meters, and he only has pseudo flight with his susanoo (unless i'm mistaken, that should REALLY be added to Kakashi's page).

Kakashi does not have unlimited stamina, nor does he have EMS, so he can not spam such abilities that he, himself, claimed to only be capable of applying several times a day without draining himself. Casting shadow clones along with kamui spammed attacks with his Susanoo up is an unrealistic scenario based off of his stats.

He has never been shown using such abilities back-to-back without using too much Chakra.

Genjutsu for sharingan is listed as eye-to-eye contact. Doflamingo sunglasses.

And if "matched resistance" is apparently not a thing, can i just disable CoC and genjutsu? It's not a matter of giving Doflamingo advantages. Genjutsu in general is flat out unfair in vs matches, or they are rendered irrelevant in certain fights. if Genjutsu is allowed, that's just dumb.

 

[VenomElite]

Nevermind. With Genjutsu in the way, Kakashi wins. Without it, that's a more interesting gamble.

 

[VenomElite]

If Genjutsu is disabled then Flamingo wins.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Character version: The strongest canon version of a character is used, that we have listed. The strongest version being defined as the one with the highest tier; if there are multiple versions with the same tier, then the most recent version.

DMS Kakashi is listed as his strongest form.

Also, looks to me that Perfect Susanoo does fly.

 

[CinCameron20]

@Gemmy - yeah, so it should be added to his profile, and i am using DMS Kakashi, but his durability is listed as "Large Mountain with susanoo", so i made the MCB dura joke about him, since that is not exactly specified.

 

[AkuAkuAkuma]

Id say Flamingo takes this with relative difficulty since Genjustu is out of the way of a factor, but Kakashi still has a viable amount of hax to help him, i see the fight lasting a fair while since Doffy is a very passive fighter in terms of his decisions attacking his oppenents ,but in the end i see him outlasting the Copy Ninja stringing up his corpse to a tree.

 

[CinCameron20]

bump *its been almost 5 days*

 

[PaChi2]

Kakashi is notably restricted, tho. Intangibility + Kamui raikiri should do the trick since Doffy has no way to stop it and speed equalized means both of them are getting hit, but only kakashi is avoiding the damage. No birdcage? Why did you restrict that? Kakashi can walk through it.

 

[CinCameron20]

@PaChi2 - Birdcage in a versus situation is not used in such a manner as to enclose it on a target. Birdcage gives Doflamingo free reign to use his powers without having to rely on the clouds or fighting environment to attach strings to.

I only restricted BFR (so transporting Doflamingo isn't thrown into another dimension and we call it a day since he is out of the battlefield) and Genjutsu (Genjutsu in versus matches can just be called out to instantly finish a fight).

 

[PaChi2]

^which are two win methods anyway, thats why I said notably, you took 2 win conditions from him. Nevertheless, still voting to Kakashi, tho if doffy had birdcage I'd think it over.

 

[CinCameron20]

@Pachi2 - i understand your reasoning, but isn't it impossible for Kakashi to remain intangible and attack simultaneously? I think that weakness is still apparent even with both eyes (not to mention he'd be unable to fight for the long term due to "itachi-syndrome").

If i'm taking some from Kakashi, it's only fair to take some from Doflamingo, otherwise i'd be going like "hehehe... Doflamingo wins easily now".

 

[Darkdefeat1]

Giving it to Doffy due to superior durabillity, stamina and stats in general. Not too mention more versatile,adaptable kit. Doflamingo also fought both law and base luffy together...(both are listed as 7A) all while managing the birdcage...and without his awakening. I think we all know who the winner is here.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

I'm voting for Kakashi for reasons above. Doesn't everything he does in this form ignore durability? Even if he can't attack Doflamingo while intangible, he can easily teleport away or retreat to Kamui's Dimension for strategic purposes. Even if he can't fully BFR, he can send portions of Doflamingo's body parts to Kamui's Dimension. Not to mention, Kamui Shuriken looks visually unimpressive. Doflamingo is likely going to try to swat them away or underestimate them which will be very bad for him.

 

[Damico22]

I'm voting for kakashi becuase supieror hax

 

[Sera_EX]

I vote for Doffy. Kakashi doesn't have the stamina and can't use Genjutsu. So Doffy should win :3

 

[PaChi2]

I dont get why stamina is so important here when kakashi only needs 1 hit of Kamui Raikiri/shuriken to kill doffy. Speed is equalized so doffy will get hit for sure at least once.

Edit: also, people seem to forget that Kakashi in this form can teleport almost instantly (two eyes equals double teleportation speed iirc).

 

[CinCameron20]

@PaChi2 - a one-hit kill is only going to happen if Kakashi lands a direct blow on Doflamingo's vitals, but even then, if it is even that serious, Doflamingo can continue fighting whilst repairing the damage. The only way Kakashi would be able to get a one-shot kill is by landing a headshot.

With Equalized speed, Doflamingo can also keep pace with Kakashi and make it harder for him to land blows. Remember, just like Obito, even with two eyes, Kakashi can not use his Kamui to attack and defend simultaneously. If he tries to go in and kill Doflamingo, he will risk being killed himself. At that point, it is much more likely for Doflamingo to win, so long as he isn't struck in the head in a manner that will just flat out kill him.

Kakashi does not have an EMS, so he is going to suffer the consequences that Itachi had to cope with: Blindness, fatigue, and slowly losing his ability to use his sharingan in the process.

Doflamingo being able to actually survive a lethal blow is what would give him the win, even if he is somewhat weakened by the damage and blood loss. He could still fight and evade in highly competitive fights, despite his organs being an absolute mess.

 

[PaChi2]

Hmmm, last time I checked, a kamui raikiri cut a giantic hand from the ten tails, which makes me think that a direct hit on doffy means: splitting him in half. Of course it wont be easily done, but doffy, from the other side, must drain Kakashi's stamina while the other only needs one shot. Also, none is explaining to doffy how Kamui works, so it will be difficult for him to figure it out.

Itachi had those symptoms for... a long time, this is one fight, Kakashi wont get blind for using MS once here (itachi used to abuse the hell out of MS iirc).

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Sorry I don't really understand some things here. What exactly is stopping Kakashi from taking Doflamingo's head off with either Kamui or Kamui Raikiri? He can't attack while he's intangible but he can easily teleport away from Doflamingo's attacks. Intangibility + Teleportation means Doflamingo will find it very hard to touch Kakashi. He can warp away Doflamingo's body parts with any of his Kamui variants. How's he going to fight effectively without his body parts? And this is assuming Kakashi doesn't just take his head off with it. Nothing is stopping him from doing this in the first place. Also, where is this stamina stuff coming from? Wasn't Kakashi happily spamming Kamui against Kaguya? I don't remember him being exhausted. Then again, he can always retreat to his dimension. I don't see anything that Doflamingo can do about that.

 

[CinCameron20]

@PaChi2 - Doflamingo has battle pre-cognition and he has proven to be a very passive fighter. He lets his opponent attack while he counters and evades (1st round and the first portion of his 2nd round against Law, against Sanji, and pre-Gamma Knife against Luffy), except for when he is against the MC because PIS demands that he be reckless, of course.

We saw that Itachi using his Tsukuyomi just once was enough to irritate him quite moderately. After using Amaterasu once (to escape from Jiraiya), he told Kisame that they needed to immediately find somewhere where he can restore his powers. Itachi had not used his MS for more than a few times on-screen in canon.

The only actual time we see Itachi having to utilize his powers fully was against Sasuke, and he quickly lost sight in one of his eyes and his illness greatly fatigued him almost immediately after using Susanoo.

You're right that one use of the Kamui can one-shot Doflamingo if it is a good blow, but the same is if Kakashi is reckless and tries to go on the defensive and is suddenly struck by a strand of awakened threads. He can't fight in a pure offensive manner since he can't use his kamui to protect himself whilst attacking.

The only way Kakashi can even hope to take a blow from Doflamingo without dying is with his kamui. Susanoo's durability would be too low to fully defend against an attack from Doflamingo, and with Kakashi's base Durability being MCB level, good luck surviving without phasing out of the dimension.