Doctor Strange: Multiverse of Madness (Spoilers inbound)

[Coolboy6]

It could likely be an exaggeration

Reed is the “smartest man alive” in his verse

 

[Propellus]

Reed is the “smartest man alive” in his verse

Mhm, smartest man alive that he got himself and everyone else killed by Wanda in the most brutal way possible by mentioning that Black Bolt could take her down

 

[Coolboy6]

Mhm, smartest man alive that he got himself and everyone else killed by Wanda in the most brutal way possible by mentioning that Black Bolt could take her down

cough cough bad writing

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

cough cough bad writing

Disney: What Bad Writing?

 

[Lacku]

Tbf considering she’s like 9-C that’s not a big feat

I was gonna say her dura scales to 8-A but were talking about a different Wanda who has no durability feats really

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

I was gonna say her dura scales to 8-A but were talking about a different Wanda who has no durability feats really

Well she did get bashed by Captain Carter, got thrown around by the shockwave from her clash with Captain Marvel, etc.

 

[Lacku]

Well she did get bashed by Captain Carter, got thrown around by the shockwave from her clash with Captain Marvel, etc.

Stuff like that makes me think maybe we should make an 838 Wanda profile maybe, we'd probably have to note that via WoG she's weaker than normal Wanda

 

[Lacku]

Also are we scaling Sorcerers to 7-A now? I like the reasoning and it makes sense with the Ultron WoG statement

 

[Lacku]

Does anybody have the source for the Ultron WoG statement btw?

 

[Propellus]

Stuff like that makes me think maybe we should make an 838 Wanda profile maybe, we'd probably have to note that via WoG she's weaker than normal Wanda

Would be kinda pointless

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Stuff like that makes me think maybe we should make an 838 Wanda profile maybe, we'd probably have to note that via WoG she's weaker than normal Wanda

Wouldn't that just be West View Pre-Scarlet Witch Pre-Dark Hold Wanda?

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

Since the X-Men and Inhumans are allies/interact with each other in this universe, I wonder if 838 Wanda has a niece?

 

[Dinobot1996]

I feel like a decent argument could be made for Infinity War-Endgame era Wanda having 8-C durability, considering she could withstand attacks from Proxima Midnight without her shields.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Also are we scaling Sorcerers to 7-A now? I like the reasoning and it makes sense with the Ultron WoG statement

Depending on the multiple sorcerers holding the shield result, if it does then yes (and I hope so, seeing Strange getting tier 9 or 8 would really annoy me)

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

cough cough bad writing

How are character flaws bad writing? It makes complete sense for him to say that, they were trying to warn her of what they could do but they didn't want to hurt 838 Wanda by proxy

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Strange should be tier 6

 

[Propellus]

How are character flaws bad writing? It makes complete sense for him to say that, they were trying to warn her of what they could do but they didn't want to hurt 838 Wanda by proxy

Still got themselves killed either way

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Still got themselves killed either way

That doesn't make it bad writing as Coolboy said

 

[Propellus]

That doesn't make it bad writing as Coolboy said

The point is, they could've taken down Wanda when she's off her guard if Reed didn't run his mouth about the possibilities, they had a chance to stop her

 

[Propellus]

Then again, they've underestimated her

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

The point is, they could've taken down Wanda when she's off her guard if Reed didn't run his mouth about the possibilities, they had a chance to stop her

Ofc, ofc. Goes without saying

I'm only saying that its not bad writing. Its character flaws

 

[Coolboy6]

How are character flaws bad writing? It makes complete sense for him to say that, they were trying to warn her of what they could do but they didn't want to hurt 838 Wanda by proxy

The smartest man alive wouldn’t have revealed Black Bolt’s weakness like that

 

[Propellus]

And then Black Bolt's head goes boom

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

The smartest man alive wouldn’t have revealed Black Bolt’s weakness like that

That just means he was overconfident

He's the smartest man alive, so I don't see why he wouldn't be based on his own experiences

Plus the Illuminati was set up to be overconfident considering they thought they had it handled to begin with

 

[212JayJay212]

Strange should be tier 6

I'd say its pretty concrete that the Mirror Dimension (something under their power) being able to contain Wanda's attacks until she uses hax should be outright 6-C but ig we'll see

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

I'd say its pretty concrete that the Mirror Dimension (something under their power) being able to contain Wanda's attacks until she uses hax should be outright 6-C but ig we'll see

I don't think that should be a justification but I still think that Strange should be 6-C

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Strange match: https://vsbattles.com/threads/6-c-t...dr-strange-vs-jeanne-darc-puella-magi.136695/

 

[Dalesean027]

Strange match: https://vsbattles.com/threads/6-c-t...dr-strange-vs-jeanne-darc-puella-magi.136695/

IT'S MATCH 11 ALREADY

 

[Dalesean027]

Btw when are we doing the CRT for this stuff

 

[Revan_Laha]

Future Revolution Wanda is crazy op she's keeping Dormammu as a pet

 

[Dalesean027]

Btw when are we doing the CRT for this stuff

actually with this in mind did anyone make a blog for chavez yet?

 

[Stillwinston]

Spoiler

Glad to see my lad Bruce Campbell there, that was groovy

 

[ArkhamDC06]

actually with this in mind did anyone make a blog for chavez yet?

I think Lacku did if I'm right?

 

[Dalesean027]

Here's everything I could find so far

@ArkhamDC06 Sinister Strange Blog which is missing a few abilities

Sinister Strange (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

vsbattles.fandom.com

@Lacku Strange's updated profile sandbox which is missing lots of his new abilities

Sandbox

vsbattles.fandom.com

@Lacku America Chavez profile as well(range should be multiverse+ as well)

Sandbox

vsbattles.fandom.com

@AbaddonTheDisappointment calc blog for the feats that's been accepted

Multiverse of Madness Calcs

vsbattles.fandom.com

• Wanda lifts the Castle: 49953888.7744 kg (Class M)
• America punches Wanda and parts clouds: 1.6400975e+12 J (Multi-City Block level)
• Black Bolt destroys the ground (Low End): 168926864.95 J (Small Building level)
• Black Bolt destroys the ground (High End): 1456994210.19 J (Building level)

This calc @Lacku found that'll be used to solidify Strange's (and other sorcerers) early AP tier

Even More What If Feats

vsbattles.fandom.com

• 0.15484627333 tons of tnt (Small Building level+)

We for the most part have the scaling intact though there's still room for more discussion to just solidify for good what we want to go with for strange (Also scaling Wong to 8-C since he's comparable to strange?)

These renders for Wanda and Chavez

We've got this article courtesy of @M3X (WHAT THE **** I JUST FOUND OUT HE QUIT THE WIKI)

https://www.cbr.com/doctor-strange-2-scarlet-witch-not-full-power-marvel/

The article stated this:

We decided that the limitation is that she's not in her body," Olsen revealed. "She's in a less-oiled version of her body. So it's not capable of doing as much as our universe's Wanda could do, because it's more about using the body like a not-so-tuned-up car. I wanted it to be easier, but it was amazing to get to have those moments."



meaning this and in M3X's own words

"The alternate universe Wanda can't use Scarlet Witch's full power, it's simple as that. Since she can't use Scarlet Witch's full power because of the body, she is weaker. Same applies for Strange. It's a dead and rotten body. Though you have a point about being amped by the Darkhold, despite being inconsistent since Sinister Strange had the Darkhold since... years? And still somewhat comparable to our Strange.
The spell Strange and Wanda used are the same, they used the Darkhold to use the possession. If Wanda is weaker using a different body, Strange should also be weaker when possessing a (dead) body.
Maaaybe we can downscale regular Doctor Strange to 6-C? Can somewhat match Wanda despite being weaker and should be stronger than possessed Defender Strange, and the Thanos fight."


In terms of new abilities I'll need some help getting everything discussed here but at the very least we have this

Wanda:

Astral Projection and Possession (Possessed a different version of herself from another universe to battle the Illuminati)

Power Absorption

Deconstruction and or Existence Erasure

Technology Manipulation(could prevent christine from releasing chavez by glitching the panel to the cell)

Resistance to Soul Manip

Multiversal+ Range with dreamwalking and EE(or Deconstruction)

Maybe more I've missed?

Strange:

Astral Projection and Possession (Possessed a different version of herself from another universe to battle Wanda) (he already has Astral Projection so anyway)

Summoning (Summoned mystics snakes to attack Wanda, he summoned a gigantic beast to knock one of the buses away from a woman and her baby and formed ******** hands to tear the pole off and kill Gargantos)

New justifications for his power absorption, capable of absorbing America Chavez ability to travel through universes, as seen by Defender Strange doing it.

Invisibility Negation (Performed a spell which made Gargantos visible)

Telekinesis (Bus ability feat unless we want to consider that a new justification for reality warping potentially fusionism?)

Sound Manipulation (Was able to create tangible musical notes made of Eldritch Magic's energy to attack his alternate self during their duel),

Body Control (Can make a third eye appear on his forehead)

Illusion Creation (Coerced Wanda into the Mirror Dimension with an illusion of himself)

Cloth Manipulation (CAN change his clothes into anything and can even make the cloak into a pretty nifty scarf.)

Resistance to Soul Manip

New range justification for Multiverese+ with dreamwalking

Wong: got some new stuff as well if anyone remembers what send it this way




ALL SORCERORS

Receive Resistances to Mind Manipulation on their first or only keys as even fodder sorcerers are trained in how to resist mind manip


There's more abilities than you guys can fill in and we can move onto the next step of formatting stuff

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

trained in how to resist mind manip and can strengthen it as a group

I take issue with that. When was it said that they can boost each other's Mind Hax Resistance?

 

[Dalesean027]

I take issue with that. When was it said that they can boost each other's Mind Hax Resistance?

I can remove that specific part it's not a big deal I'm just compiling everything I found from earlier


Done

 

[Dalesean027]

We for the most part have the scaling intact though there's still room for more discussion to just solidify for good what we want to go with for strange (Also scaling Wong to 8-C since he's comparable to strange?)

Here's wong and strange vs gargantos btw



This alone actually would give wong 8-C physicals and AP since gargantos could harm strange and wong could harm it while also not dying from being attacked by him(wish we had the full fight clip)

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Here's everything I could find so far

@ArkhamDC06 Sinister Strange Blog which is missing a few abilities

Sinister Strange (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

vsbattles.fandom.com

@Lacku Strange's updated profile sandbox which is missing lots of his new abilities

Sandbox

vsbattles.fandom.com

@Lacku America Chavez profile as well(range should be multiverse+ as well)

Sandbox

vsbattles.fandom.com

@AbaddonTheDisappointment calc blog for the feats that's been accepted

Multiverse of Madness Calcs

vsbattles.fandom.com

• Wanda lifts the Castle: 49953888.7744 kg (Class M)
• America punches Wanda and parts clouds: 1.6400975e+12 J (Multi-City Block level)
• Black Bolt destroys the ground (Low End): 168926864.95 J (Small Building level)
• Black Bolt destroys the ground (High End): 1456994210.19 J (Building level)

This calc @Lacku found that'll be used to solidify Strange's (and other sorcerers) early AP tier

Even More What If Feats

vsbattles.fandom.com

• 0.15484627333 tons of tnt (Small Building level+)

We for the most part have the scaling intact though there's still room for more discussion to just solidify for good what we want to go with for strange (Also scaling Wong to 8-C since he's comparable to strange?)

These renders for Wanda and Chavez

We've got this article courtesy of @M3X (WHAT THE **** I JUST FOUND OUT HE QUIT THE WIKI)

https://www.cbr.com/doctor-strange-2-scarlet-witch-not-full-power-marvel/

The article stated this:

We decided that the limitation is that she's not in her body," Olsen revealed. "She's in a less-oiled version of her body. So it's not capable of doing as much as our universe's Wanda could do, because it's more about using the body like a not-so-tuned-up car. I wanted it to be easier, but it was amazing to get to have those moments."



meaning this and in M3X's own words

"The alternate universe Wanda can't use Scarlet Witch's full power, it's simple as that. Since she can't use Scarlet Witch's full power because of the body, she is weaker. Same applies for Strange. It's a dead and rotten body. Though you have a point about being amped by the Darkhold, despite being inconsistent since Sinister Strange had the Darkhold since... years? And still somewhat comparable to our Strange.
The spell Strange and Wanda used are the same, they used the Darkhold to use the possession. If Wanda is weaker using a different body, Strange should also be weaker when possessing a (dead) body.
Maaaybe we can downscale regular Doctor Strange to 6-C? Can somewhat match Wanda despite being weaker and should be stronger than possessed Defender Strange, and the Thanos fight."


In terms of new abilities I'll need some help getting everything discussed here but at the very least we have this

Wanda:

Astral Projection and Possession (Possessed a different version of herself from another universe to battle the Illuminati)

Power Absorption

Deconstruction and or Existence Erasure

Multiversal+ Range with dreamwalking and EE(or Deconstruction)

Maybe more I've missed?

Strange:

Astral Projection and Possession (Possessed a different version of herself from another universe to battle Wanda) (he already has Astral Projection so anyway)

Summoning (Summoned mystics snakes to attack Wanda)

New justifications for his power absorption, capable of absorbing America Chavez ability to travel through universes, as seen by Defender Strange doing it.

Extrasensory Perception and Enhanced Senses (Performed a spell which made Gargantos visible)

Telekinesis (Bus ability feat unless we want to consider that a new justification for reality warping potentially fusionism?)

Sound Manipulation (Was able to create tangible musical notes made of Eldritch Magic's energy to attack his alternate self during their duel),

Body Control (Can make a third eye appear on his forehead)

New range justification for Multiverese+ with dreamwalking

Wong: got some new stuff as well if anyone remembers what send it this way




ALL SORCERORS

Receive Resistances to Mind Manipulation on their first or only keys as even fodder sorcerers are trained in how to resist mind manip


There's more abilities than you guys can fill in and we can move onto the next step of formatting stuff

Wanda should also get Technological Manip, she was able to prevent Christine from releasing Chavez from her cage by basically making the panel buggy

Also what are the missing abilities for Sinister Strange?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

America Chavez profile as well(range should be multiverse+ as well)

It should be noted she's only 8-A with her powers. She's shown to be like 10-B to 10-A without them

 

[Dalesean027]

Wanda should also get Technological Manip, she was able to prevent Christine from releasing Chavez from her cage by basically making the panel buggy

Also what are the missing abilities for Sinister Strange?

Seeing as he'd be a variation from our strange if ours gets resistance to mind manip on his first key then sister strange should as well since it's a fodder ability for sorcerers