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She should have two keys then because she masters her powers at the end of the movie and should scale to her own attacks regularly
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Doctor Strange: Multiverse of Madness (Spoilers inbound)
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Doesn't America progress throughout the movie
First only being able to destroy concrete then later cracking reinforced glass. Then upon gaining her true potential she preforms her Multi-City Block level feat (She should also have some form of stealth mastery or whatever we use for her thief skills since she stole Strange's sling ring without him noticing)
First only being able to destroy concrete then later cracking reinforced glass. Then upon gaining her true potential she preforms her Multi-City Block level feat (She should also have some form of stealth mastery or whatever we use for her thief skills since she stole Strange's sling ring without him noticing)
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Honestly yeah this too though those would have to wait unless someone
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Not really, just something like "8-A with her powers"
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I mean I'm not against it and she should at the very least scale to impact of her own punches when using her powers so that's fine as long as everyone's in agreeance so we can get this settled and done
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WAIT WHAT?!?!(WHAT THE **** I JUST FOUND OUT HE QUIT THE WIKI)
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Yes bro I couldn't find his user when I was going to tag him so I searched his name and found out he left
I honestly wasn't expecting to see that today
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Reed: Wanda, we can't fight yet. Not before Candice arrives.
Wanda: Who's Candice?
Blackagar Boltagon:
Wanda: Who's Candice?
Blackagar Boltagon:
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Anywho any final input here aside from anything that's been discussed already we only have to really one thing left to do and that's a quick rundown of whether yall believe we're going with 6-C strange on this or want to follow the scaling proposed by @Lacku in his blog and that should settle thatHere's everything I could find so far
@ArkhamDC06 Sinister Strange Blog which is missing a few abilities
Sinister Strange (Marvel Cinematic Universe)
vsbattles.fandom.com
@Lacku Strange's updated profile sandbox which is missing lots of his new abilities
Sandbox
@Lacku America Chavez profile as well(range should be multiverse+ as well)
Sandbox
@AbaddonTheDisappointment calc blog for the feats that's been accepted
Multiverse of Madness Calcs
This calc @Lacku found that'll be used to solidify Strange's (and other sorcerers) early AP tier
- Wanda lifts the Castle: 49953888.7744 kg (Class M)
- America punches Wanda and parts clouds: 1.6400975e+12 J (Multi-City Block level)
- Black Bolt destroys the ground (Low End): 168926864.95 J (Small Building level)
- Black Bolt destroys the ground (High End): 1456994210.19 J (Building level)
Even More What If Feats
- 0.15484627333 tons of tnt (Small Building level+)
We for the most part have the scaling intact though there's still room for more discussion to just solidify for good what we want to go with for strange (Also scaling Wong to 8-C since he's comparable to strange?)
These renders for Wanda and Chavez
We've got this article courtesy of @M3X (WHAT THE **** I JUST FOUND OUT HE QUIT THE WIKI
The article stated this:
We decided that the limitation is that she's not in her body," Olsen revealed. "She's in a less-oiled version of her body. So it's not capable of doing as much as our universe's Wanda could do, because it's more about using the body like a not-so-tuned-up car. I wanted it to be easier, but it was amazing to get to have those moments."
meaning this and in M3X's own words
"The alternate universe Wanda can't use Scarlet Witch's full power, it's simple as that. Since she can't use Scarlet Witch's full power because of the body, she is weaker. Same applies for Strange. It's a dead and rotten body. Though you have a point about being amped by the Darkhold, despite being inconsistent since Sinister Strange had the Darkhold since... years? And still somewhat comparable to our Strange.
The spell Strange and Wanda used are the same, they used the Darkhold to use the possession. If Wanda is weaker using a different body, Strange should also be weaker when possessing a (dead) body.
Maaaybe we can downscale regular Doctor Strange to 6-C? Can somewhat match Wanda despite being weaker and should be stronger than possessed Defender Strange, and the Thanos fight."
In terms of new abilities I'll need some help getting everything discussed here but at the very least we have this
Wanda:
Astral Projection and Possession (Possessed a different version of herself from another universe to battle the Illuminati)
Power Absorption
Deconstruction and or Existence Erasure
Technology Manipulation(could prevent christine from releasing chavez by glitching the panel to the cell)
Multiversal+ Range with dreamwalking and EE(or Deconstruction)
Maybe more I've missed?
Strange:
Astral Projection and Possession (Possessed a different version of herself from another universe to battle Wanda) (he already has Astral Projection so anyway)
Summoning (Summoned mystics snakes to attack Wanda)
New justifications for his power absorption, capable of absorbing America Chavez ability to travel through universes, as seen by Defender Strange doing it.
Extrasensory Perception and Enhanced Senses (Performed a spell which made Gargantos visible)
Telekinesis (Bus ability feat unless we want to consider that a new justification for reality warping potentially fusionism?)
Sound Manipulation (Was able to create tangible musical notes made of Eldritch Magic's energy to attack his alternate self during their duel),
Body Control (Can make a third eye appear on his forehead)
New range justification for Multiverese+ with dreamwalking
Wong: got some new stuff as well if anyone remembers what send it this way
ALL SORCERORS
Receive Resistances to Mind Manipulation on their first or only keys as even fodder sorcerers are trained in how to resist mind manip
There's more abilities than you guys can fill in and we can move onto the next step of formatting stuff
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I’m not too sure anymore if we’d scale the average sorcerer to 9-A+ since that was a feat performed by Strange after he became Sorcerer Supreme, which he has his own key for. It might be better to scale sorcerers to baseline 9-A as the Ancient One is shown destroying Chitauri Cruisers pretty easily in Endgame. The only thing wrong with that is I don’t remember how much the Ancient One is meant to upscale normal sorcerers and how comparable she is to Doctor Strange. She herself said that Strange is meant to be the best of them in Endgame so that leads me to believe that she’d be weaker than him after his first movie. I’m not 100% on this but I’m thinking maybe The Ancient One and Post-Training Doctor Strange should scale to at least 9-A and the average sorcerer if we make a civilisation profile for them would be at most 9-A. I'd like to hear some thoughts on this since personally I think the 9-A scaling is surprisingly consistent, at least for sorcerers who don't scale to Strange after his first movie.This calc @Lacku found that'll be used to solidify Strange's (and other sorcerers) early AP tier
Even More What If Feats
- 0.15484627333 tons of tnt (Small Building level+)
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Also @Dalesean027 thanks for the really comprehensive list on everything that needs updating cause goddamn that's A LOT
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I think having them at 9-A for the first key is fine just having them downscale from stranges feat and scaling to the ancient ones feat
And it's no problem lol just let me know if i missed anything
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Would the Ancient One scale above Wong in Magic since she was also Sorcerer Supreme, seems to have more skill and experience (Both due to her lifespan) in Magic, and also drew power from the Dark Dimension?
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Wong kind of got the position due to process of elimination and gets to keep it cause he's cool as ****
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Yeah but Wong should also just flatout have two keys as well and still has good feats in MoM since both him and strange can harm gargantos who can harm them he'd be 8-C with Magic and physically at the very least as well in his second key
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Would Wong's Keys be
Master Sorcerer (DS1 to IW)
AKA the years he served as Librarian, Teacher, Etc.
Sorcerer Supreme (Post IW to MoM)
AKA the years he served as Sorcerer Supreme, Etc.
Master Sorcerer (DS1 to IW)
AKA the years he served as Librarian, Teacher, Etc.
Sorcerer Supreme (Post IW to MoM)
AKA the years he served as Sorcerer Supreme, Etc.
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This works imo though his keys could also match strange's key names with pre and post infinity war
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IMO
Strange in the first movie has two variations. Pre-Timeloop, he learned some Magic but is still inexperienced and unskilled with it. Post-Timeloop, he's become experienced and skilled with the few Magic he learned. The whole ordeal with Kaecillius happened when Strange was still training.
Strange in Thor Ragnarok, Infinity War, Endgame, No Way Home, and Multiverse of Madness are more or less essentially the same, since that's more or less Strange after he properly finished his training.
Strange in the first movie has two variations. Pre-Timeloop, he learned some Magic but is still inexperienced and unskilled with it. Post-Timeloop, he's become experienced and skilled with the few Magic he learned. The whole ordeal with Kaecillius happened when Strange was still training.
Strange in Thor Ragnarok, Infinity War, Endgame, No Way Home, and Multiverse of Madness are more or less essentially the same, since that's more or less Strange after he properly finished his training.
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I mean yeah this is true it's how his key should really be going more accurate to lore
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So how would it be named?
Pre-Timeloop | Post-Timeloop | Sorcerer Supreme
^Based on his level of skill and experience with Magic.
Or do we simply merge Pre & Post Timeloop and simply name his Keys:
Sorcerer In Training | Sorcerer Supreme
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Probably this since post time loop is when he bacame sorcerer supreme which he no longer is due to a technicality
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It all looks greatI think that's Stranges profile updates done now more or less, I'm happy with it but if there's anything I should change or fix let me knowSandbox
Also scratch this Lacku has it best
Key: Post-Training | Sorcerer Supreme | Post-Blip
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i mean if sorcerer in training is just during the first movie, then couldn't we just made a single key?
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nevermind
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I'd also add for Strange "Illusion Creation" as he coerced Wanda into the Mirror Dimension with an illusion of himself and that with "Summoning" he summoned a gigantic beast to knock one of the buses away from a woman and her baby and formed ******** hands to tear the pole off and kill Gargantos.Here's everything I could find so far
@ArkhamDC06 Sinister Strange Blog which is missing a few abilities
Sinister Strange (Marvel Cinematic Universe)
@Lacku Strange's updated profile sandbox which is missing lots of his new abilities
Sandbox
@Lacku America Chavez profile as well(range should be multiverse+ as well)
Sandbox
@AbaddonTheDisappointment calc blog for the feats that's been accepted
Multiverse of Madness Calcs
This calc @Lacku found that'll be used to solidify Strange's (and other sorcerers) early AP tier
- Wanda lifts the Castle: 49953888.7744 kg (Class M)
- America punches Wanda and parts clouds: 1.6400975e+12 J (Multi-City Block level)
- Black Bolt destroys the ground (Low End): 168926864.95 J (Small Building level)
- Black Bolt destroys the ground (High End): 1456994210.19 J (Building level)
Even More What If Feats
- 0.15484627333 tons of tnt (Small Building level+)
We for the most part have the scaling intact though there's still room for more discussion to just solidify for good what we want to go with for strange (Also scaling Wong to 8-C since he's comparable to strange?)
These renders for Wanda and Chavez
We've got this article courtesy of @M3X (WHAT THE **** I JUST FOUND OUT HE QUIT THE WIKI
The article stated this:
We decided that the limitation is that she's not in her body," Olsen revealed. "She's in a less-oiled version of her body. So it's not capable of doing as much as our universe's Wanda could do, because it's more about using the body like a not-so-tuned-up car. I wanted it to be easier, but it was amazing to get to have those moments."
meaning this and in M3X's own words
"The alternate universe Wanda can't use Scarlet Witch's full power, it's simple as that. Since she can't use Scarlet Witch's full power because of the body, she is weaker. Same applies for Strange. It's a dead and rotten body. Though you have a point about being amped by the Darkhold, despite being inconsistent since Sinister Strange had the Darkhold since... years? And still somewhat comparable to our Strange.
The spell Strange and Wanda used are the same, they used the Darkhold to use the possession. If Wanda is weaker using a different body, Strange should also be weaker when possessing a (dead) body.
Maaaybe we can downscale regular Doctor Strange to 6-C? Can somewhat match Wanda despite being weaker and should be stronger than possessed Defender Strange, and the Thanos fight."
In terms of new abilities I'll need some help getting everything discussed here but at the very least we have this
Wanda:
Astral Projection and Possession (Possessed a different version of herself from another universe to battle the Illuminati)
Power Absorption
Deconstruction and or Existence Erasure
Technology Manipulation(could prevent christine from releasing chavez by glitching the panel to the cell)
Multiversal+ Range with dreamwalking and EE(or Deconstruction)
Maybe more I've missed?
Strange:
Astral Projection and Possession (Possessed a different version of herself from another universe to battle Wanda) (he already has Astral Projection so anyway)
Summoning (Summoned mystics snakes to attack Wanda)
New justifications for his power absorption, capable of absorbing America Chavez ability to travel through universes, as seen by Defender Strange doing it.
Extrasensory Perception and Enhanced Senses (Performed a spell which made Gargantos visible)
Telekinesis (Bus ability feat unless we want to consider that a new justification for reality warping potentially fusionism?)
Sound Manipulation (Was able to create tangible musical notes made of Eldritch Magic's energy to attack his alternate self during their duel),
Body Control (Can make a third eye appear on his forehead)
New range justification for Multiverese+ with dreamwalking
Wong: got some new stuff as well if anyone remembers what send it this way
ALL SORCERORS
Receive Resistances to Mind Manipulation on their first or only keys as even fodder sorcerers are trained in how to resist mind manip
There's more abilities than you guys can fill in and we can move onto the next step of formatting stuff
Would Strange have Unholy Manipulation or Necromancy (something of the sort) since he overpowered and controlled the souls of the damned? Cloth Manipulation too since he can change his clothes into anything and can even make the cloak into a pretty nifty scarf.
Also have we any renders for MoM Strange yet?
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Was Strange ever recognized as Sorcerer Supreme? IIRC he was a candidate but getting blipped screwed it up.
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Already in the blog
Got it looks like these are also going into the sandbox @Lacku sorry for working ya do hard
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Ah **** that also made me remember the damned souls thing was a resistance to soul manip since they were trying to drag these fools souls and didn't really attack in a AP capacity
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No need to stress yourself my bro these pages take up a lot of info!
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Transmutation is listed twice on the Sorcerer Supreme key
The MCU Wiki says he has the title but lost due to the blip
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Is there really a big difference between Sorcerer Supreme and Post-Blip?
The only differences I can think of is Strange not having the Time Stone and losing the Title of Sorcerer Supreme
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Lol I'm trying to do as much as I can before work
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Ah damn I wish I could work on that now but I gotta study for exams I have next week so I'll try to see if I can get it done soon but I won't be able to fix that stuff today.
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I'll answer this later if not someone will answer this before me I gotta get a pre-work nap in
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Makes more sense to do pre/post blip or something since he's not the SS (anymore at least).
To be fair that makes sense. The other thing is while Wong may have the title it's pretty clear everyone knows Strange is the true master. Wanda barely gave Wong a second glance until she learnt he knew where to find the original Darkhold.
Best of luck in your exams bro!
Don't stress focus on yourself and get it done when you're able. Can't wait to see the pages all finished!
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He's basically the same but post-blip gave him time to learn even more skills!
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Is that stated anywhere?
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