Doctor Strange: Multiverse of Madness (Spoilers inbound)

[TFO]

I don’t think the statements of her being able to “Destroy” the cosmos should be taken at “Face Value”. Supreme Strange Destroyed his own Universe via attempting to break a fixed point in time. We don’t scale him to Universal for that by itself.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

That's an entirely different strange.

I legit don't know how people are confusing the two :/

Did y'all not watch theovie or What If?

Strange, isnt it?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I don’t think the statements of her being able to “Destroy” the cosmos should be taken at “Face Value”. Supreme Strange Destroyed his own Universe via attempting to break a fixed point in time. We don’t scale him to Universal for that by itself.

Yeah a lot of the universal feats are done via a chain of events or environmental destruction

 

[Propellus]

It depends on the level of damage the punch does to her....Minor damage would still scale ger durability to the Punch however lil to no damage should scale her at least to the punch

All I know is that she did survive Strange crushing her with a ceiling while running away from her, survived a shield bash from Captain Carter

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

To be fair, Strange Supreme's feat also has the context of him holding back the destruction of his timeline with two energy blasts and his barrier not going down despite everything collapsing

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Ironically, despite being the only other example, Strange Supreme scales to his own Low 2-C environmental destruction.

 

[Propellus]

And when Wanda destroyed all the books onto every multiverse, how strong is that feat?

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

And when Wanda destroyed all the books onto every multiverse, how strong is that feat?

High 3-A via whatever application she used to perform the feat

 

[Tsubasa16]

He never destroy, he only said rule. And she's got mind had after all.

He said "The Scarlet Witch is a being of unfathomable powers, she can rewrite reality if she pleases, she is destined to either rule over the cosmos or destroy it."

He also very clearly states Wanda is a multiversal-threat by saying that "the fate of the multiverse" depends on Strange being able to reason with her or not, which makes sense since he also says she is powerful enough to hex the entire multiverse.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

He said "The Scarlet Witch is a being of unfathomable powers, she can rewrite reality if she pleases, she is destined to either rule over the cosmos or destroy it."

He also very clearly states Wanda is a multiversal-threat by saying that "the fate of the multiverse" depends on Strange being able to reason with her or not.

I don't think we should do anything with this statement until further notice because of vagueness.

 

[Propellus]

And how did Strange get his 3rd eye?

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Plus additional context of 2-A range mind control makes it seem like they're not trying to get at multiversal level+ Scarlet Witch

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

And how did Strange get his 3rd eye?

Likely due to him using the Darkhold.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Imagine if Strange Supreme was in the movie, he'd be dancing over everyone lmao

While that would be cool on paper, given how the movie was I feel like if he did show up, they'd have Wanda stomp him or at least overpower him

 

[Propellus]

While that would be cool on paper, given how the movie was I feel like if he did show up, they'd have Wanda stomp him or at least overpower him

Which is already BS, they made her stomp almost everyone

 

[TFO]

To be fair, Strange Supreme's feat also has the context of him holding back the destruction of his timeline with two energy blasts and his barrier not going down despite everything collapsing

True, but that’s why I specified we don’t scale to just the absolute point in time breaking “by itself”, which could fall under a, “Destroy the cosmos” type of statement.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

All I know is that she did survive Strange crushing her with a ceiling while running away from her, survived a shield bash from Captain Carter

Shield bash was survived using TK/barrier. Right after the cut you can see the energy around the shield

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

True, but that’s why I specified we don’t scale to just the absolute point in time breaking “by itself”, which could fall under a, “Destroy the cosmos” type of statement.

I simply found it ironic that the only other character with a feat that falls within what you're trying to convey scales to said feat anyway

 

[TFO]

When did anybody in the Movie say anything about she can “Hex” the Multiverse?

 

[Propellus]

As much as I like Wanda, she had it coming when America got her own children against her

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

When did anybody in the Movie say anything about she can “Hex” the Multiverse?

It was both Wong or Strange. They both imply it (Wong's first statement on the Scarlet Witch) and say it directly

 

[TFO]

It was both Wong or Strange. They both imply it (Wong) and say it directly

In which scene? Iirc, the only time the “Hex” was hinted at was when Strange went to Wanda in the beginning. I only saw the film once though, so yeah.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

In which scene? Iirc, the only time the “Hex” was hinted at was when Strange went to Wanda in the beginning. I only saw the film once though, so yeah.

The implications by Wong saying she could "rule the multiverse"

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Pretty sure its brought up another time although what I most certainly remember is Wong implying it during his statement

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

While that would be cool on paper, given how the movie was I feel like if he did show up, they'd have Wanda stomp him or at least overpower him

Seeing Wanda defeat Strange Supreme would probably make me bring out the shotgun

 

[Tsubasa16]

When did anybody in the Movie say anything about she can “Hex” the Multiverse?

They don't directly mention the Hex by name, but Wong says that if she had direct access to the multiverse, she could do what she did to Westview (aka the Hex) and enslave the entire multiverse.

As i mentioned it in the thread before i didn't see the movie in English, but someone else said that is what Wong said in English movie as well.

 

[Abysswalker2126]

Shouldn’t scarlet which get extra powers and resistances added to her profile like power absorption, summoning, mind hax res etc

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

They don't directly mention the Hex by name, but Wong says that if she had direct access to the multiverse, she could do what she did to Westview and ensalve the entire multiverse.

As i mentioned it in the thread before i didn't see the movie in English, but someone else said that is what Wong said in English movie as well.

There you go

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Shouldn’t scarlet which get extra powers and resistances added to her profile like power absorption, summoning, mind hax res etc

All three of those things have already been brought up

 

[Propellus]

But yeah, the only thing that I hated about this movie is that they made Wanda stomp everybody effortless

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Seeing Wanda defeat Strange Supreme would probably make me bring out the shotgun

They would probably make them equals since Doctor Strange Supreme's universe destruction is narratively significant to him as a character

In other words, powerscaling

 

[Abysswalker2126]

Corruption?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

They would probably make them equals since Doctor Strange Supreme's universe destruction is narratively significant to him as a character

In other words, powerscaling

Strange is significantly faster than Wanda is (Sub Relativistic vs Massively Hypersonic+)

 

[Propellus]

They would probably make them equals since Doctor Strange Supreme's universe destruction is narratively significant to him as a character

In other words, powerscaling

But hey, the MCU has pretty bad powerscaling tbh

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Strange is significantly faster than Wanda is (Sub Relativistic vs Massively Hypersonic+)

Powerscaling lol

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

But hey, the MCU has pretty bad powerscaling tbh

Elaborate

 

[Abysswalker2126]

What about reaching through reflections and pulling people through them as well as being able to transport herself through them?

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

What about reaching through reflections and pulling people through them as well as being able to transport herself through them?

Its been brought up but I don't recall what application its been determined to be if at all

 

[Abysswalker2126]

Its been brought up but I don't recall what application its been determined to be if at all

Do we not have reflection manipulation?

 

[TFO]

Ngl, the 616 Strange vs Sinister Strange was kinda corny imo & some dialogue was incredibly campy. I like it but yeesh…

Also, based on this and Loki, I hope KF drops Waldron as his Star Wars writer. His storytelling skill is “mid” imo.