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Doctor Strange: Multiverse of Madness (Spoilers inbound)
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Technically, It has to do with AP regardless if it destroys. Note my previous examples.
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Because it's just a specific ability used for a specific purpose, it's like saying death manip or mind control can be used for AP, and above all it CANNOT be used for a 2-A upgrade simply because destroying books, no matter how much there are including if there's an infinite number, isn't even remotely comparable to destroying an infinite amount of universes and realities, space and time included
The range is spectacular but it's NOT enough to get a 2-A upgrade
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Deconstruction really has something to do with AP, as it takes energy to take apart matter from it's constituent make up.
I mean no where was it stated her deconstruction ignores durability....She could've used it on Captain Marvel the same she did Reeds and the darkhold which clearly proves it would take her much time and probably much stress to deconstruct Captain Marvel.
Also considering how destroying one darkhold completely consumes a socerer, Wanda doing it across infinite books and such should place her somewhere destroying an infinite mass would get someone.
Plus Wong's statement about her ruling a cosmos or destroying it, Another statement of her hexing the multiverse, with the darkhold statement of her destroying the world has been pretty consistent and should warrant A Possibly (then whatever tier all that would give her)
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Well a universe in the mcu isnt infinite tbh, destroying the matter/Energy content of the universe should be less impressive than destroying an infinite massed object even if it is via deconstruction, so long as the said deconstruction takes energy to do so.
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I...guess
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Since when?
Also Wanda isn’t getting anything past tier 6 for destroying books or some hypothetical universe destruction statement with no details.
We should talk about her actual feats like lifting that entire mountain, killing CM, etc.
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Also weren’t all the books destroyed from her destroying the actual temple, which was the basis for all the books (which were just copies of what was in the temple?)
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I really hope this is a joke, because we know Strange Supreme is still alive watching over Zola and Killmonger
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That's headcanon.
Oh yeah kek. All these evil Strange's makes things confusing.
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Which part, the part where Wong specifically states the books are based on the spells in the temple, and that the books are just copies?
Or the part where she drops the temple on herself and Zombie Strange, ending Strange’s dream walk at the same time the book starts burning?
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I'm saying, it was never stated that "Because she destroyed this temple, all temples and darkhold books across the multiverse were destroyed as a result via chain reaction."
That's something you came up with.
All we actually got, was she destroyed the darkhold across the multiverse.
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Found this for Strange and Wanda
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It’s not explicitly stated, but again, Wong, the sorcerer supreme, states that all the darkhold books are just copies of the spells etched into the temple.
Temple gets destroyed, we see a darkhold from another universe gets destroyed. Strange assumes they are then all destroyed even though he cannot visibly confirm this across infinite universes.
Its just basic Occam’s razor until it’s explicitly told otherwise.
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Since when was the universe not infinite? Imma go ahead and assume that's the question but since like the very birth of the universe, it has a standard day when the big bang happen and it's still expands, that's the whole point of the celestials creating new galaxies and lives.
Lol we are also gonna ignore that the destruction of the said books ignited them with flames right? Like that is nothing but deconstruction uh? And having at least 3 statements of universe destruction 2 from the socerer supreme and one from a book written by the very first demon Chthon is just hypothetical right? What else need to be said before it is accepted? Until she really does the said destruction? Like it's gon be the first time a character is getting a tier from statements?
Yeah that is also being discussed but that doesnt mean statements of her high end feats shouldnt be recognized am saying maybe she gets at least 6C possibly high 3a or something along that line since her universal statements are coming from Very very reliable sources and the last time the socerers made mention of a being with such magnitude of power was dormamu, dude literally has ZERO universal feat but we scaled to just one or two statements from socerers not scaling wanda especially when she already exhibited multiversal range feat is just being biased here
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We don't scale him only for that, we have scans openly saying things that backup this level of power
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Scans? From the movie?
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From the movie and the official MCU guidebook
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Death manip and all that are abstract abilities therefore, nothing to do with energy (joules of energy to be exact)
Wandas deconstruction is 100% AP based, Because it should logically be based on energy.
Even if you want to argue “magic energy” or whatever i believe it will still be attack potency.
EVEN if you want to argue its some type of 2-A telekinesis+deconstruction thing, then it still doesn't matter because she deconstructed an infinite amount of 3D objects. Or, H3A.
I have never said a 2-A upgrade tho??
Wanda has deconstructed an infinite amount of books through out the multiverse.
Also wdym by “simply by destroying books"? It is an infinite amount of books getting destroyed.
which i believe warrents for a high universe level upgrade
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This
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Perhaps
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None other than statements was mentioned in the movie and if i remember Wanda has more cossistent statement of being a universal - Multiversal threat than Dormammu had in the first DS movie.
Official handbook if there is one for DS 2 am pretty sure it will say the same thing about the Scarlet Witch...it just dont change the fact that Dormammu is 2C with Zero Universal feat and Wanda who has more consistent statement and even related range feat is still being argued on whether or not she should scale.
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This. Also Strange didn't know about the book of Vishanti but Wong did, why? because Wong has access to books for being the Sorcerer Supreme, in one of them The Scarlet Witch comes up. Wong stated the multiverse threat the Scarlet Witch is. He knows what he's talking about.
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Wanda didn't die. They need her gone to the Child's Crusade.
And no. Wong remained the Sorcerer Supreme.
And no. Wong remained the Sorcerer Supreme.
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I see, but it did look like she sacrificed herself for good, after she seen her children scared of her. And I did ask because Strange suddenly grew a third eye on his forehead.
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Feige said that the Story of the Scarlet Witch in MoM was just the beginning. She aint going nowhere for a while. At the end of the movie, Strange bows to Wong, who is still the SP.
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And what do you guys suppose the tiering for America Chavez should be? She does create portals to different multiverses, and she did harm Wanda. Which I don't think she's a glass cannon anymore at this point.
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If that punch harmed Wanda then whatever her durability is.
If it didn't then whatever value the cloud dispersing gives.
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He never destroy, he only said rule. And she's got mind had after all.
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Imagine if Strange Supreme was in the movie, he'd be dancing over everyone lmao
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Wait, then who was that other strange that got impaled onto the gates?
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A random evil strange with a backstory similar to strange supreme.
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That's an entirely different strange.
I legit don't know how people are confusing the two :/
Did y'all not watch the movie or What If? If you have, you should be able to differentiate the two.
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