Without a doubt,
Mordru scales to high tier
Fates the most consistently. So long as there is a way of accounting for his relationship to
Nabu, I think his
2-B tier is an easy sell.
The Time Trapper also definitely scales to
Mordru's
2-B form, being either equivalent or slightly above it. This causes no inconsistency because none of
our current justifications for The Time Trapper's tier would be out of place on a
2-B profile. They are not explicitly
2-C feats. They just involve manipulating an unspecified but seemingly large number of timelines, realities, and universes.
The Infinite Ma also definitely scales to
The Time Trapper. In fact, our only two justifications for his current tiering are based on him matching
The Time Trapper and
Mordru teaming up with another wizard to steal his power to amp himself. This character has relatively few appearances compared to everybody else in this revision. He should essentially bound to whatever tier
The Time Trapper is in.
I guess what I'm getting at is that
Fate =
Mordru is very consistent. And
Mordru,
The Infinite Ma, and
The Time Trapper all being around the same range as each other is also very consistent. Those should be some of the easier characters to scale.
Parallax indisputably defeated
The Time Trapper in
Zero Hour. Twice. The defeats were both pretty undeniable, and they are also currently our
only justification for his tiering on this wiki. You could argue that perhaps
The Time Trapper's defeat was too important to the plot of
Zero Hour and therefore should not be considered, but if we're going to do that, then we're also going to need to find a new justification for
Parallax's tiering. Zark earlier suggested an
At Least 2-C ranking because Hal claimed he could "shape the universes" when reflecting on
Parallax a few years later. If we drop his scaling to
The Time Trapper, I'd consider that a reasonable fix.
Whatever tier
Parallax ends up at, I don't think it's controversial to say that
The Spectre (Hal Jordan) should definitely scale above him. The scene comparing the two was pretty explicit.
Darkseid's current tiering relies upon casually manhandling
Pre-Crisis Superma, scaling above
Mordru, and scaling above a character who scales to
Parallax. If
Mordru is upgraded but
Parallax is not, we can treat his
Mordru feat as an outlier, but if both are upgraded, then
Darkseid must be upgraded as well. At that point, he'd have two
2-B feats and one casual feat very deep into the
2-C category.
Trigo and
The Phantom Stranger are the biggest wild cards of everybody being discussed in this thread. Both have very vague powers and a serious lack of benchmark limits.
In the case of
The Phantom Stranger specifically, it is very likely that every writer has had a different idea about exactly how powerful he is because having no official backstory was kind of his schtick until
Flashpoint. That being said, he is very commonly portrayed as
at least superior to
Dr. Fate if not
Nabu himself. He is portrayed as peer to
The Spectre far more often than he is peer to
Fate (though he almost always admits that
The Spectre outmatches him in raw power). True to this point, our wiki's current rating for
The Phantom Stranger scales him from a feat wherein he briefly matched a form of magic that was repeatedly stated to be beyond the most powerful sourcerers in the universe. Our wiki currently argues that this should put him above
Nabu. It's just that we don't currently rank
Nabu particularly high. I think that this is a fair method of estimation that should necessitate a
2-A tiering for
The Phantom Stranger after these revisions. It would not contradict anything and would actually fit quite well with
The Phantom Stranger's relation to other characters. However, if you want to reject our current reasoning and be really conservative about it in light of these upgrades, I don't think it makes sense to put him any lower than the weakest
Fate incarnations. So he should
at a minimum qualify for
2-B.
And in the case of
Trigo, he indisputably dips into the
2-C tier. The only question is how much further he goes. Estimates of
Trigon's power are... basically singleminded. He's just portrayed as vaguely stronger than anybody else in the story. Because of that, there is no consistency to it. To my knowledge, the only time it's been suggested that he has a peer was when
The Monitor compared him to
The Spectre. The way I see it, you can either latch on to his consistent statements of
At Least 2-C power or you can latch onto that comparison to
The Spectre and use his apparent ability to kill
Nabu and
The Phantom Stranger as supporting evidence for
2-A. I know that second option might seem drastic at a glance, but I don't personally see it as any different from how
SHuman-Gorath is treated on this wiki. Both are immensely powerful entities that scale above nearly everything in the mortal realm, but they both also have a historically difficult time
manifesting in said realm and are extremely succeptable to BFR after doing so. I don't really have an opinion on whether
Trigo should be
2-A or not because I can see the argument in either direction, but I
do think these upgrades should at least qualify him to be
At Least 2-C rather than
2-C flat. Simply
ignoring four instances of him being compared to entities beyond the
2-C tier seems weird.
