Do we consider Super Saiyan forms to boost speed?

[Rikimarox2]

Pretty much the title. I know that SS1 is > kaioken 20x in terms of speed, but what about the other forms?

SS2, 3, SSG, SSB, do they all not give any clear speed boost or smth?

What about in terms of strength? How much do they multiply power?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Like SSG and Blue I think it's unquantifiable, Goku in SSJ3 couldn't keep up with an ultra-casual Beerus, but in SSG he kept up with an motivated beerus.

but this is unquantifiable either way

 

[Rikimarox2]

Fr? I mean, considering how he kept up with beerus in SSG, while getting blitzed in SSJ3 form, shouldn't that at least count like an 5x amp or smth?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

I think a lowballe can be 10 since the casual beerus was stronger and probably faster than vegetto as mentioned by goku

 

[Arcker123]

didn't ssg make goku go from ftl+ to mftl+

 

[Rikimarox2]

From what I heard, we don't consider most SSJ (with the exception of 1) to be speed amps. Not really sure why.

didn't ssg make goku go from ftl+ to mftl+

He went from FTL+ to like ~200 Quadrillion times the speed of light. I'm really not sure if the wiki will even accept this as a normal amp, or just a one time thing.

 

[Arcker123]

I'm pretty sure its treated a massive unquantifiable amp

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Gohan when he became ssj2 was not able to Blitz Cell?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Well, it is a speed amp; the first instance being the only time it is a 50x speed amp; however, they've consistently been shown to be heavily inconsistent post that time period. However, it logically should still be above Kaioken x20

 

[Rikimarox2]

I get that SSJ1 is a speed amp, but what about the others?

SSJ2 and 3? Shouldn't they, are the very least, be a 2-4x amp or smth?

 

[Arcker123]

a 2-4 amp to super saiyan?

 

[Rikimarox2]

Something between those, yeah. IIRC, SS2 should be 2 times SS1, and SS3 should 4 times SSJ2. The problem is that we apparently don't accept them. We merely accept them as power ups.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I don't think we can find a quantifiable number for SSJ2 or SSJ3's speed amps.

 

[Arcker123]

aside from the stated ones kek

 

[Rikimarox2]

Not even a 2x amp? Besides, there are also stated numbers so...

It's fairly obvious that it increases speed, even by a bit. Shouldn't all the SS forms past the first, even if lowballing, be at least considered a 2x amp?

If no, then why?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I mean, it does increase speed; but there's also the fact that the first time Gohan goes SSJ2, it's actually more than 100x stronger than SSJ1 AP wise, and speed did get a notable increase, but unsure. Anyway, there's already too much conflictions on both sides; people keep saying we abuse multipliers while others say we're too strict. And sometimes, middle roads are the best approach. Kaioken is very specific and literally in our faces that it multiplies all stats exactly, but SSJ transformations are a different can of worms.

So all I can say is that it is a significant speed amp, but the specific number seems all over the place. And especially in Super, we see characters jump multiple tiers just from going from base to SSJ for some, or doing that for SSJ1 to SSJ2. Broly and Kefla come to mind.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

instead of "ftl+, higher with super saiyan forms", can we get "ftl+, massively ftl with super saiyan forms"?

 

[Rikimarox2]

I mean, I get its frustrating, but how exactly are we gonna use this in a VS thread? While I understand the power multiplication is weird as shit, since this is dragon ball, but I don't recall people having a problem with speed multiplication?

instead of "ftl+, higher with super saiyan forms", can we get "ftl+, massively ftl with super saiyan forms"?

Yes pls

 

[Arcker123]

Also is super saiyan a 20x or 40x amp to speed

 

[Rikimarox2]

Above 20x. The first instance was the only time it seemed like it was 50x, according DDM at least.

 

[Arcker123]

seems weird for it to amp AP by 40x and speed by 20x but okay i guess

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Does SSJ boost stats by 20x or 40x according to the wiki?

 

[Rikimarox2]

iirc, durablity and strength is 40x, while speed is only >20x

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

yeah thanks.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Shouldnt it be 50x both speed, dura, AP etc?

 

[Rikimarox2]

The wikia doesn't accept it as a 50x multiplier, sadly.

 

[DivineAura44]

I mean, it does increase speed; but there's also the fact that the first time Gohan goes SSJ2, it's actually more than 100x stronger than SSJ1 AP wise, and speed did get a notable increase, but unsure. Anyway, there's already too much conflictions on both sides; people keep saying we abuse multipliers while others say we're too strict. And sometimes, middle roads are the best approach. Kaioken is very specific and literally in our faces that it multiplies all stats exactly, but SSJ transformations are a different can of worms.

So all I can say is that it is a significant speed amp, but the specific number seems all over the place. And especially in Super, we see characters jump multiple tiers just from going from base to SSJ for some, or doing that for SSJ1 to SSJ2. Broly and Kefla come to mind.

Whole different characters with diff transformations but okay.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

insert "If my power increases, doesn't my speed increase along with it?" statement