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Devil May Cry Abilities (No statistics revisions)

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Good afternoon, all! I'm here to request the updating of some Devil May Cry profiles. Don't worry, there's no shockers here; in fact, much of this stuff's already on the pages but not the abilities section. Before we begin, let me ask that no discussion of the statistics of the verse be held in this thread. Let's keep things clear and focused on the topic at hand. Without further ado, let us take a look:

Miscellany

Resistance to Time Manipulation for Mundus and Nelo Angelo/Vergil (In DMC1, the Bangle of Time had no effect on either)

Immunity to absolute zero for Nero (he could fight and toss about the Frosts)

Resistance to mind/soul manipulation for Vergil (resisted a brutal mental assault from Pride of the Seven Hells; should be comparable to Dante)

Nixing Dante, Vergil, and Nero's weakness of their healing weakening over time (Not really based on much; Dante getting beaten by Vergil at the beginning of DMC3 was before a big power boost; Dante and Vergil consistently heal wounds even when tired)


Updates to Dante's Ability Section

1.) Minor transmutation via Gilgamesh (the weapon turns organic substances to metal, evidenced by its effectiveness against the Regenerationn of the parasitic plant enemies in DMC4; no Midas touch, just an anti-regen thing, mostly)

2.) Ability to harm intangible beings + Soul manipulation (Dante can harm many spectral enemies that phase through walls and other solid matter; Dante and Vergil both can transmute the souls of their enemies into weapons, further evidenced by Sparda's transforming the Seven Hells into statues in the DMC3 manga; Dante imbues even basic firearms with magical energy capable of harming spectral beings)

3.) Resistance to spatial manipulation (Dante is capable of Royal Guarding omnidirectional attacks from Yamato)

4.) Limited Invulnerability via Majin Devil Trigger, Dreadnought Armor, and Royal Guard Style itself to an extent (the first provides complete invulnerability in-game, the second does so and converts attacks into healing, the third negates damage from attacks but requires good timing)

5.) Resistance to blood manipulation (survived and even resisted such an assault from Gluttony of the Seven Hells)

6.) Flight (demonstrated during his bout with Gluttony of the Seven Hells )

7.) Resistance to hellfire manipulation (not the least bit bothered by the flames of Berial; withstood the heat of Ifrit when he acquired it )

8.) Resistance to mind/soul manipulation (regularly fights spectral beings capable of possession; survived Nightmare's pocket dimension ruled by evil manifestations of Dante's negative emotions; overcame the soul/mental influence of the succubus Nevan, motorcycle demons notorious for possessing anyone in their vicinity, et cetera)

9.) Hellfire Manipulation (via Ifrit)

10.) Summoning in Sparda Devil Trigger (summons flaming dragons that can phase through force fields)

11.) Nix Majin Form's Void manipulation, replace with darkness manipulation (big difference, folks)


Accepted: First misc. point, others in dispute due to nature of absolute zero stuff being in question. Dante's points 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 8 (kinda, wording could use fixing), 9, 10, 11.

In dispute: nature of absolute zero feats, 4. The flight thing is a bit redundant, but I'll leave it in the OP for the scans.
 
I'd say this is pretty decent overall, though, I am hoping a little more for a future Bolverk profile if you remember that.
 
I've got some additions:

Dante also showed Resistance to Acid (was unharmed by a Demon, who has its body made of acid)

" to Time Slowing (capable of dodging Geryon's assaults and spears even under his ability)

" to Poisoning (Jokatgulm and Gbusmsra are capable of generating a deadly venom to attack enemies)

Can possibly/likely have his internal organs electrocuted (he was impaled by Force Edge and Trish channeled her lightning in the sword)

Can redirect attacks as shown here, here, here and several occasions

I'll see if I can find more stuff tomorrow.
 
Hm... How hot is the hellfire in DMC?

I mean, you can burn even frosts with Ifrit.

And frosts are beyond absolute zero...
 
Bumping in honor of one of the best mods ever made.

By the way, what do you guys make of findings of JohnCenaSuperSaiyjin (aka the guy with the best username and avi ever)? I think that stuff's worth putting in the OP. Dante has several other feats of resisting (albeit not being immune to) poison and acid, and I can vouch for the other things he mentioned. Although that bit about Dante being electricuted by Trish probably equates to resistance to electricity more than anything else.
 
The hellfire from ifrit is stated to be hotter then a volcano

I suppose this is okay but by that logic DMC3 Dante and Vergil are star level because Beuwolf is stated to hit like a small supernova
 
There is difference dmc 3 Dante is nowhere near star level and Beowulf hitting with the force of a small super mova is hyperbole but ifrit being hotter then a volcano is consistent as it can melt ice which is beyond absolute zero
 
"but ifrit being hotter then a volcano is consistent as it can melt ice which is beyond absolute zero"

Ice isn't beyond absolute zero, what are you talking about. Absolute Zero isn't even a state of coldness that exists in the physical universe, and lava hotter than a volcano can't melt it.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Absolute_Zero_Feats_in_Fictio

I'm sorry, but I don't think the statement in DMC comes close to meeting our requirements for Absolute Zero feats.

The other stuff seems mostly fine.
 
"The description of the frost say their claws are colder then absolute zero"

Sure, but plenty of things are stated in fiction. With no feats or clarification, nobody will accept it.
 
@Matt That should probably be removed from his profile then, he's listed as having a resistance to absolute zero from those demons
 
These are questions to Freeman:

"Resistance to Time Manipulation for Mundus and Nelo Angelo/Vergil (In DMC1, the Bangle of Time had no effect on either)"

Seems obvious, yes.

"Resistance to mind/soul manipulation for Vergil (resisted a brutal mental assault from Pride of the Seven Hells; should be comparable to Dante)"

Explanation for why that is mind/soul manipulation? The scan shows a bunch of skulls

"Minor transmutation via Gilgamesh (the weapon turns organic substances to metal, evidenced by its effectiveness against the Regenerationn of the parasitic plant enemies in DMC4)"

Okay.

"Ability to harm intangible beings + Soul manipulation"

Once again, pretty obvious.

"Limited Invulnerability via Majin Devil Trigger, Dreadnought Armor, and Royal Guard Style itself to an extent (the first provides complete invulnerability in-game, the second does so and converts attacks into healing, the third negates damage from attacks but requires good timing)"

That's not really invulnerability. The first one is game mechanics, and can be presumed that anyone stronger than Dante's durability can overpower him. The second is energy absorption of some sort, okay. The third is some degree of Attack Reflection.

"Resistance to blood manipulation"

How can he have resistance if the blood is pouring out of his body ? That's just durability.

"Flight"

Okay, but weird that he never uses it in game.

"Resistance to hellfire manipulation"

That's just durability.

"Massive resistance to mind/soul manipulation"

Drop the massive, that just seems like something you'd put in a profile out of personal bias. But the reasoning is fine.

"Summoning in Sparda Devil Trigger"

Okay.

"Majin Form's Void manipulation, replace with darkness manipulation"

Yep.
 
Uhh...Dante uses flight multiple times. Used it in DT and flew Lucia out a burning building in DMC2.

Not too mention half the Mundus fight.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
I agree. If volcanic lava+ can melt the ice, it isn't Absolute Zero. Feel free to remove it.
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It's stated only their claws are absolute zero, nothing about their bodies.
 
You do know that's just a buzzword, right? Just like "dimension". Without proper context, it's just fire.

"Although impervious even to volcanic fire, the frosts are weak to higher realms of incendiary. Use the hellfire of Ifrit to counter them."

That's the information given. It just means that the Frost's ice can resist volcanic fire, but can be broken by something unquantifiably stronger. That's not Absolute Zero.
 
I know you made your points on why they are not absolute zero and I agree but I was just correcting something you said hellfire in devil may cry is hotter then a volcano
 
Do some research about Echidna (DMC4 boss, mission 13).

This She-Viper warped the entire mitis-forest. The game described it as corrupting the forest with her Evil; this is made evident throughout all stages of mission 13 (via her voice "run from me" and distortions in the space which could ultimate lead you to an endless loop in the forest). She also affected the sky to cause a thunderstorm; and during the fight, the intensity of this storm increased the moment she entered bloodlust (around the time she said "witness my power")

This Aura of corrupting which warps space and affects the sky isn't exclusive to her. I think most Demons her lvl or above are able to do it (just like consuming and manipulating souls is a basic thing in the DMC universe).
 
I don't really have any strong feelings on the matter, but I don't know if it's fair to remove the absolute zero from the profiles when the Frosts's in-game description specifically states that the temperature is beyond absolute zero.
 
Yeah, but they're evidently not. Descriptions unsupported by fact and contradicted by more direct evidence don't take you anywhere. It's why Haku isn't Lightspeed despite being stated as such.
 
You mean the fact it's stated they're impervious to lava but can be hurt by higher levels of incendiary? That doesn't really contradict the absolute zero though. The statement provided was:

"Although impervious even to volcanic fire, the frosts are weak to higher realms of incendiary. Use the hellfire of Ifrit to counter them."

But there is another statement that says the Frost's ice is colder than absolute zero. All the above statement says is that they are impervious to lava but can be harmed by Ifrit, and this on its own doesn't prove or disprove absolute zero. It's the fact that the description states that they have ice colder than absolute zero that suggests it, while this neither suggests nor contradicts absolute zero.

Please don't take my thoughts as aggressive or anything. I promise I have no bad intentions here.
 
Two things:

1. It is physically impossible to be colder than absolute zero, that paradox alone makes the statement dubious at best

2. If they were truly absolute zero, heat / fire / lava / hellfire wouldnt affect them at all, as absolute zero nullifies all heat

So no, it is not absolute zero
 
Well actually absolute zero doesn't nullify all heat so much as not have any heat. If you threw a blast of absolute zero air at the sun it would have next to no effect. So it doesn't exactly nullify all heat. It could be countered with a blast of extreme heat.
 
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